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"Imagine v1 of Big Brother's -- or NSA director Keith Alexander's -- most inflamed fever dream: a sensorbot shaped like a Russian nesting doll wearing a Hindi-cow smile. Then terrifyingly name it "Mother" and build it specifically to monitor as many facets of your personal life as it can. Are you schvitzing yet?"
http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/sense-mother-may-i-the-m...
I'm not a fan of the whole 'internet of things' to begin with, no thanks. My stuff doesn't need to track everything i do with it.
For example: We have the so called "Spackeria" a post privacy movement, that arguments for not only willingly omitting every form of privacy, but to be brutally open/honest about everything in your life - and they really seem to mean everything.
And I know of people in their early twenties caring strongly. So no, it does not seem to be an age thing, but more of a ideology thing.
See https://youtu.be/_xToQ4cIHkk if you haven't seen it.
There are certain stylistic choices a writer can make that labels him as an instant idiot in my world. I chose not to read that link in full due to the word chosen here.
For future visitors of this place, my expanded rationale:
"schvitzing" automagically reads like "schwitzen" (to sweat) to this German reader. Looking that word up on the net ([1], leads to [2]) results in either German or Yiddish origins and confirms that it is just that, just .. referenced in a weird way.
Not knowing the author and his background I assume that this was chosen for effect - and I despise choices like that. I'm among the least patriotic people you'll meet, but if you're going to make jokes about $SomeEvilScenario and make it sound more .. legit, funny, interesting, believable by adding some sort-of-German-word-or-phrase you are not a writer, you're a fool, an idiot in my world.
That author chose, according to what I can see, a 'German' (or Yiddish, doesn't change my opinion really) phrase to describe something scary. That's low. I wasn't a fan of that source before this article, but I won't visit it ever after.
1: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schvitzing 2: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shvitz#English
> Mother. Mother knows everything.
> She's like a mom, only better.
> Sense: the meaning of life®
edit: I see they are based in France, so perhaps the branding didn't translate well.
A couple standing in front of an ATM, she ovviously pregnant, on the screen there is an image of a house, speech bubble "Oh! How does it know we were thinking of moving to a bigger home?"
Saw this on a wall in the conference room of an ATM maker, about 10 years ago...
Which isn't necessarily a bad thing for the product they're selling, which is both cool and odd in a 1984 kind of way.
I don't think the issue is the data collection. I think most of us here would admit that slicing and dicing data about yourself is fun (e.g. see [1]) and that an unobtrusive tool to help collect that data is a good idea. The problem is their deliberate overt anthropomorphism. I'm perfectly comfortable with a system for recording data points about my life in some database on my computer, I'm significantly less comfortable with someone monitoring me and telling me about my life.
[1] http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2012/03/the-personal-analytic...
I don't think it is a coincidence that at least three different franchises have used "Mother Brain" as the name for their malevolent AI.
"A white Mother \ with everything you need to connect her."
Whole branding seems wrong here.
Edit: Found also "No need to pay a subscription fee to live with your Mother." on INSTALLATION page.
Also, I was unhappy to learn upon close inspection that the face is a sticker.
The video is a brilliant marketing asset. It showed me some very real problems of mine, and how it could help me solve them (by tracking things that I want to, and gamifying them).
The only issue is cost. As a young, single person, £166 is prohibitively expensive. It's likely not worth it for me. Is it worth it for people with families and kids? If they had £166 to spend, could they find something more pressing to spend it on?
Wakeup times - Already solved by the alarm on your clock. Managing drink consumption - Drink more or less than you currently do. Staying fit/active - Go workout/exercise once a day. Step tracking - One of the more silly trends lately. Does it honestly matter how many steps you took today? No, not really. Pill taking - A weekly pill container solves this already for a few dollars and is old person friendly. Check-ins - Have your kid text/call you when they arrive home. Can’t use a phone? Don’t leave them alone. Brushing teeth - Does anyone here not brush their teeth? Anyone at all? Guess that problem doesn’t really exist. Temperature - Look at your thermostat. If you really care, go buy some nest products, they got you covered.
This product tries to make you feel like you have no idea what is going on in your everyday life (but don’t worry, they can help!). You have your own daily pattern and I guarantee you know what happens in it already. Don’t get me wrong, this thing has potential in other specialized areas but for its intended purpose and what most people will end up using it for, it’ just more gadget bloat.
More seriously, I think you're being way too dismissive. The same train of logic could apply to any tech advances we've had. Email? Use letters. Smartphones? Use a proper computer. Social networks? Use a paper address book. Do you feel the same about those?
Compliance is a big problem for medicine. Motivating people (nay, yourself) to be active is a problem. Keeping track of shopping/groceries is a problem in a busy or shared house. Whether they are enough of a problem to build a business around is another question.
For medication, I can only speak from personal experience and I could be completely off base. As far as motivation, my active friends don't use/care about fitness apps and my inactive friends can't be bothered to use the bloody things anyway. Obviously this all comes back to personal experience and I would love to be proved wrong (always interesting seeing a product/service you think is crap get huge) but until it takes off I am skeptical of its actual value
One of the things that you'll notice if you go to /r/loseit is how obsessively weight losers will measure everything. It's a way to keep themselves focused and accountable.
I can see the uses for this, just, as many people are saying, very creepy branding.
Adding more dongles to a problem doesn't fix it. Are the people who would be best served with this really sitting around with an iPad and dongles?
I'm surprised this isn't just a big joke.
Or better yet: Leave them alone and stop hovering. The world is safer today than it has ever been, and yet parental paranoia is at an all time high.
I don't see how it's not. Is "hi mom/dad" being disrupted by innovative technology?
Having just returned home from visiting my grandmother a few moments before I looked at this, the first thing that jumped out at me was "Did you take your pills?"
Fortunately, she is in good health but, like most elderly folks, I imagine, has a number of medications that she takes. Some are taken once a day, others twice, and there might even be some taken more frequently.
I, myself, am still in "recovery mode" after being on the losing end of a head-on motorcycle vs. Jeep collision. I'm not several different medications any more but I was for a good while and it was difficult for me to keep track of them.
I'll grant you that there are alternative solutions to these problems -- a family member who lives with my grandmother simply writes down (on paper!) when she takes what, for example, and you mentioned another (weekly pill container) -- but for the busy/active/always on-the-go person, I can certainly see them filling a need.
A wave of laughter rippled through the audience.
"Forgive! Forgive me!" he said, "I had no choice. She wouldn't have let me do it otherwise. So I snuck in, and I installed cameras in every room. They're so small she'll never notice. I'll show you really quick. Can we show cameras 1 to 5 in my mom's house?"
A grid of images popped up, including his mom, padding down a bright hallway in a towel. A roar of laughter erupted.
"Oops. Let's drop that one." The image disappeared. "Anyway. The point is I know she's safe, and that gives me a sense of peace. As we all know here at the Circle, transparency leads to peace of mind."
My grandmother who, like many older people takes many different pills, gets an advanced version of the pillbox direct from the pharmacy, with all her various pills combined into a giant blister pack according to her own schedule for taking them.
Pill management is considerably more tricky than that for some people - especially if there are young people in the house. Some medications have strict and weird requirements to when and how they're taken.
As for pill management, I'm not sure what problems you are talking about with young people but I do know the issue with pills. I currently live with an elderly couple that have to take a huge amount of different pills. They just use multiple weekly pill bottles with a time/requirement note. Cheap and non-complicated to work with.
Sure, there are other solutions to solve this problem. But I like this one.
Disagree. Old people still forget such things. Or to refill them.
I think the marketing is ultra creepy, but with a tiny bit of rebranding, I think it would be perfect to help the elderly.
Maybe add a little red cross on it and rename it "Nurse", or something.
You know that the human mind doesn't work like that -- mine doesn't, at any rate. Reminders, bribes, little games played around chores, those things tend to work.
Comes down to playing a more active role in their life instead of just tracking their activities.
After tricking you for a week by shaking the brush for 1-2min, perhaps it'll form enough of a habit that going to actual brushing won't be as hard (we tend to be attached to the things we hold more often).
Kids think they're fooling you but the joke's on them...
We both agree that this is unnecessary; but it's at a price point which makes it seem that the creators think it's a necessity. There's a great many more useful things I could buy with £166.
There are also - I think - pill reminder apps & programs. At least DuckDuckGo sez so.
For soda consumption, I recommend coffee (for caffeine) and selzer water w/ lime juice for the fizzies & casual drinking.
So we buy these products that make us feel more important. It documents what we do, and it tells back our story through a dashboard, in an autobiographical way, as if we're some kind of celebrities.
But are we that important?
> We all may be suffering from a case of Fortune 100 CEO
> syndrome. That is, we all wish our lives are so busy and
> important that we need personal assistants managing our
> lives.
How important or busy do I need to be to decide that £160 is too much to spend freeing up some of my time? How about to decide to take a minicab home if it frees up 30m of my time vs public transport?I think the bar to "busy and important enough" is much lower than you think.
Smartphone works for me, but only with an app that is tailored to my workflow. Sensors that could capture lots of it semi-automatically would make a great deal of difference.
This one takes the cake.
"Get notified if the fridge door is left open and it gets warmer. At the same time, keep track of your snacking between meals."
More seriously, the idea of using cheap motion trackers to track usage of things in the home is very interesting.
When Google acquires this, it'll make the Nest complaints pale in comparison. :)
Like this?
http://i.imgur.com/W1s9crO.jpg
In all seriousness, I feel it is only a matter of time before someone dies as a result of their home automation being hacked.
http://www.absolutelyrics.com/lyrics/view/laurie_anderson/o_...
And now they're naming one Mother? I can't tell if I should feel vindicated or offended.
http://allpoetry.com/poem/8508991-All-Watched-Over-By-Machin...
Apart from the super bad naming and Branding, this is another reason for me to stay away from this mother rabbit.
[edit] and yeah it's obviously creepier than the rabbit
This looks like a solution desperately looking for a problem; that is, unless your problem is "I want to spy every single step of everyone in my family".
And seriously, "mother"? Do they even ever had one, to be that much off-mark? The very first quality of anything motherly is to be human; this is a wireless log collection system. Call it a "warden", or at best "coach", if you really need an anthropomorphic comparison.
I have tried many applications which should increase by productivity, sleep quality, or you-name-name-it. I don't recall a single one that managed to do so in the long run (most not even in the short run...).
So either one is open to change and that has little to do with technology or... You're toasted anyway. But even when you decide to change for yourself and not because a notification tells you to do so, these technologies become time consuming and troublesome to use. Of course they look nice on TV and ads, but in real life, most of them are frivolous IMHO.
If a company wants to make me use a telescreen, they might as well make it a suppository.
I can't seem to find any technical info on the "cookies". Are they similar to the technology in the Fitbit Flex, ie Bluetooth Smart coupled with some sort of accelerometer. If that's the case, do the cookies need to be charged every week. This remains the single massive downside to widespread adoption of such devices.
Want to improve ___ about yourself?
Just do it(tm).
Get it done(tm).
Do what it takes.
I don't need devices and a dashboard to tell me I'm winning at life.Fuck this arrogant and stupid product.
You'll have to update your coffee capsule count every time you buy them. Buying new packs when the opening the last set of capsule is ny far the easiest way to manage I think.
You'll have to put the sensor on every bottle you drink.
If you care that much about toothbrushing, buy an electric toothbrush. A timer will be integrated telling you when you pass the 2 pr 3 min mark.
Central temperature management would need a programmable device anyway, you'll basically need a Nest I guess.
At the end, It doesn't seem so easy to use in practice, it will forward every life information to an external server, and half of what it does is better solved an other way.
Sorry Nest, but programmable based-on-your-schedule thermostats have been around for a long time. Can't do it with your smartphone, but it's really not hard to use the settings.
Coffee? Buy beans when you're running low, what about any of these things are complicated?
I like to think (and
the sooner the better!)
of a cybernetic meadow
where mammals and computers
live together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky.
I like to think
(right now, please!)
of a cybernetic forest
filled with pines and electronics
where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.
I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.
And yes, incredibly creepy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_of...
The makers perhaps thought that the name 'Mother' would evoke care and love in the minds of their users. To their agony, it is revealing in the thread that though most people love their mom, they really do not want to be a 'watched over' kid.
I guess it gives all of us that creepy feeling of guilt as kids when we stole from the cookie jar and kept turning our heads with fear of being caught by mom :-)
Note to self: keep relationship names away from product names, too much friction ;-)
> Mother knows everything (in red text at that)
> She's like a mom, only better
The branding of this is either creepy or crazy. Maybe it's a bit of both. But I'm certainly not going to forget it, and the idea itself seems pretty interesting.
Above all, I like the neat interface of the apps (mockups?) and simplicity of the cookie sensors. No charging nonsense, because they measure and buffer stuff but don't transmit. 1yr battery life. 10 day memory.
Sure, I'd love to see additional, more advanced cookies that would require charging, e.g. with built-in LED or vibration (reminding me when I enter or leave, though my phone could serve that purpose), Data, GPS (though my phone could serve this purpose, need an app that intercepts an SMS after presence is detected to auto-upload GPS data), multi-mother stuff (one at work, one at home), integration with home automation systems (someone below mentioned frequencies indicate zigbee), Zapier/IFTT support and above all some sort of data input/output API so I can import my own data points.
By the way, $222 for a mother and 4 sensors seems quite affordable to me.
The only thing that prevents me from pre-ordering a set is that the NaBazTag history doesn't exactly instill much confidence in the makers' ability to support this thing in the long run; I also wonder where the data is stored and if it's remotely future-proof (data import/export/backup).
Still pretty good but as long as there isn't a privacy promise that would satisfy the basic security principles (Confidentiality, Integrity, Availability) I don't see it as a successful device.
What I like about the product is the very idea. And also the way they have explained it on the website, the graphics, text everything. Really appreciable.
"Sense Mother is at the head of a family of small connected sensors that blend into your daily life to make it serene, healthy and pleasurable."
You never know.
For the things on the list that are somewhat useful (like sleep logs + a pedometer + temperature) I have a 1975 pedometer/calculator combo that's worked fine since the day I got it, a notepad, and an infrared thermometer that is a thousand times cooler.
I think the only people that will buy this are people that want Google Analytics for their life.
Just a few picture examples with blurbs of text & a demo video would suffice rather then an infographic type of website.
"Cookies immediately send everything they capture to the nearest Mother."
For me, that's a bit of a scary statement considering how intimate the product is meant to be in someone's life.
And can I see the product without having to hunt down my country in a gigantic freaking select box first?? Isn't it fundamentally the same in every country?
I scrolled to the bottom of the page expecting some kind of explanation of what it is and why I would want it or what need or want it solves. Nothing that I could find.
for more open source alternative for this. Many of these products are nothing innovating in technology.
However, I do think the maker should be rewarded for design, packing (meaning putting everything together).
I guess it's "Big mother is watching you" then.
From this marketing, I'd answer...Big Brother.