NC Electric Car Drivers Begin Paying $100 Annual Fee
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Why not make up for the (arguably inconsequential) loss in revenue by making the people with the less desirable behavior (purchasing gas-guzzling, polluting vehicles) subsidize the desirable behavior? In other words, make up for lost revenues by increasing gasoline taxes. If it gets to the point where that's not enough, increase gasoline taxes again, and generally keep increasing them until people aren't driving ICE vehicles anymore.
When it gets to the point where even that doesn't cover it, charge vehicle registration fees based on vehicle weight, since that's the true measure of the vehicle's contribution to the wear and tear on the roadways.
Among a few dozen who commented last spring when legislators were debating the fee, many cited the environmental benefits of cars that produce zero tailpipe emissions
What's the environmental impact of a reasonably new gasoline car with catalytic converter and other emissions controls vs. the impact of coal-generated electric power for an EV? I don't know, but I would not be surprised if the EV was worse.
IMO the dicsussions of the benefits of electric cars should be done at the local level - where it matters. The other problem is so intractable and remote it will never be agreed. Does a Prius generate less total emissions per mile driven than a Diesel VW? That is virtually unknowable, though I am sure many people try, usually finding a result consistent with their viewpoint.
The benefits of electric vehicles for local issues are: less noise and zero tailpipe emissions. This is where people should focus their attention.
I did some googling and there are a number of arguments on the internet about comparing a coal generated power plant's electricity emissions to a gas powered car's emissions, and I think depending on your average consumption either side could win that argument. However if the electricity was generated in not the dirtiest possible way we know how, gas car seems to lose every other time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car#Energy_efficiency
However, I'd argue that even a car that gets 35mpg is better than average and its use should be encouraged.
[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/07/21/are-electr...
It appears to be feasible for those households to do without a car. I guess that some of the individuals within the households that _do_ have a car don't use it on a day to day basis. Moreover, even if 100% of households need at least one car, taxes can be levied on a per-car and per-mile basis, attempting to limit the number of cars per household to the minimum feasible level.
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_most_h...
You have to also remember that most people that would be taxed cannot afford to purchase an electric vehicle and that seems like an unfair burden to put on them.
Much of the damage is caused by large trucks anyways. What SHOULD happen is that all of the states get together and charge large transport trucks their fair share of their damage to the roads.
That gives me a good idea for a startup: Electric, low damage to roads, autonomous transport trucks. They could deliver everything including mail, oranges, amazon packages, furniture, shit, even people. The company that delivers that product is going to make boat-fucking-loads.
The issue is basically that gasoline and diesel consumption was used as a proxy for travel miles in order to pay for road maintenance and the scale used to relate miles to gallons is no longer accurate even for gas-powered cars (as average economy has improved). Obviously electric cars are an easy first target, since passing a tax increase is much harder than targeting a small group.
That's very interesting. Is it possible that this could be part of the cause of the noticeably deteriorating state of roads these days?
Why not just have an income tax and sales tax, or maybe only one (I've heard arguments for both sides, but don't want to get into that debate) to cover all this?
It's the same thing with all the ridiculous fees governments charge for various things. For example, registering a vehicle at the DMV. Why does this cost anything? After all, your taxes already pay the salary of the person at the DMV, their office, etc. and the sales tax (in states that have it) paid on a vehicle purchase should take into account that the new owner will need to register it.
It's just a ridiculous way of "not really increasing" taxes.
Another answer is that user fees are politically expedient, as you point out -- it's a way to increase government revenue without increasing taxes per se.
In any case, if you buy a car, the DMV fees ARE generally rolled into the purchase, though as a separate item. Not to be too pedantic, but you can always buy a vehicle and not register it -- for example, if you are from out of state and plan to register it in your home state, or if you need to do some work on it before you put it on the road.
Since it's not really practical to directly charge for road use (with the occasional toll road as an exception), taxes can serve as a decent substitute. Given that, it's good to line up the taxes with use.
Flat taxes with no exemptions eliminate armies of tax collectors, accountants and lawyers. They would eliminate a host of nickel-and-diming taxes.
A flat tax is beneficial to everyone but a politician who wants to punish one set of voters and reward another. So we get tax codes running to thousands of pages, millions of man-hours spent evading the rules and enforcing them, lobbyists spending all their waking hours trying to get their competitors taxed and their paymaster untaxed.
A fixed tax rate on the size of the economy and a fixed government size to match the tax rate would solve a million problems, but simplicity is like anti-matter to governments.
A Nissan Leaf weighs 3,291 pounds (source: http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/versions-specs/). A GMC Yukon Denali weighs 5,491 pounds (source: http://www.gmc.com/yukon-denali-luxury-suv/features-specs/ca...), or 1.67 times more. It should do approximately 7.75 more damage to the roads it drives over than the Leaf will.
At an average of 15,000 per year, the Yukon owner getting 16 mpg (source: average of 14mpg city and 18mpg highway from http://www.gmc.com/yukon-denali-luxury-suv/features-specs/po...) will burn about 950 gallons of gas per year. At $0.563 per gallon tax (source: combined state and federal taxes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States), that owner will pay about $550 per year in taxes.
If NC is being honest about their reasons for taxing electric vehicle owners, then the Yukon owner is being subsidized about $225 a year (should pay: $775, will pay: $550) for driving a more polluting, more damaging vehicle. That's assuming that electricity is completely untaxed in NC so that the Leaf driver is paying only that $100 tax.
TL;DR This isn't about fundraising. It's about protecting gas-burning vehicle markets.
Because I meant that it probably wasn't really going to stop very many people from buying electric cars (so it is then strange to assume it is about protecting the market for ICE cars).
The issue is, Leaf drivers are very much not the people who damage roads: Leafs are somewhat light cars (a bit more than a Civic, substantially less than SUVs). Cumulative road damage is linear with the number of miles driven and quartic with vehicular weight. Gas taxes roughly capture the linearity from miles driven but only a fraction of the factor from vehicle weight.
If the Republican leader quoted in the article is actually interested in bridging the gap between gasoline tax revenues and expenditures on roads and ending the subsidy the public provides for expensive private decisions, he should look toward charging more of road users in general than a small minority of a couple thousand (it probably costs as much to implement and collect this tax as the revenue it brings). Instead of, you know, sticking taxes to the people whose consumption choices he finds so damn hippy and unpalatable.
(And, yes, I oppose government subsidies for electric vehicles too, whose environmental benefits should be captured by more efficient carbon taxes or permits.)
The major problem facing governments over growth of electric cars is loss in tax revenue currently enjoyed from fuel taxes. In most places the amount of fuel tax collected far exceeds that which is spent on road infrastructure. Governments simply take activities with inelastic demand as the best place for collecting revenue. Because fuel was primarily used for transportation, which has a very inelastic curve, it always has been heavily taxed. Same goes for airline travel and smoking. Flying and tobacco taxes all normally bring in far more revenue than they cost the government - because taxes are levied on a basis of extract sufficient feathers from the goose with a minimum of hissing.
The problem with electric cars (as far as revenue collection goes) is that you can plug them in anywhere. But putting extra broad-based taxes on electricity consumption is electoral poison. So how to tax vehicle-destined electricity? If electric cars start to supplant liquid fuels in large numbers, governments are looking at a major revenue source drying up.
Adding a fixed charge seems like a simple but problem-ridden way of solving it, but makes more sense than trying to do things like have specially-taxed outlets for electric cars.
Personally I think a per-mile charge based on vehicle size is the correct way to go (regardless of fuel type or vehicle class). Drive less, pay less. Drive smaller vehicles, pay less. But doing so naturally attracts the ire of those with a problem being tracked. And so on we go. Taxation is imperfect.
My guess is that they are doing this before electric-car ownership becomes a big group. That way a smaller charge can be introduced and normalised before the group gets too large. It's always easier to incrementally creep up a tax rather than introduce a new one.
Lol wut no. Were you talking about places other than USA? Because here in the USA, billions of dollars are transferred every year from general funds into the highway administration because the fuel tax is not even close to sufficient for maintenance of highways. This is also true at the state level, but to a much higher ratio.
“Nationwide in 2010, state and local governments raised $37 billion in motor fuel taxes and $12 billion in tolls and non-fuel taxes, but spent $155 billion on highways,” writes the Tax Foundation’s Joseph Henchman. Another $28 billion of that $155 billion comes from revenue from the federal gas tax.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/gasoline-taxes-and-tolls-pa...
[1] ie. operating costs and depreciation, net basis.
This is a total non-issue. The manufacturers will happily take those old batteries off your hands and recycle them free of charge.
Not quite. The new, replacement battery is quite expesnive and sold at a high margin. So this is not "free", nor does it pay into the public good (domain) in any way to offset the carbon footprint of building the car (smelting steel, aluminum, mining etc), or the transportation damage to the road-system (a function of weight x miles, not emissions).
The good news is that current cells are highly recylable in the technological sense, so its not like they are hazardous spent fuel rods. But the usage (mileage) will be proportionate to battery life. So it makes sense to tax the fuel-supply of the electric car in the same way as the fuel tax. That is, if you believe in those things (public goods, etc).
That's beside the point. The battery recycling is free. Of course the battery replacement costs money, but the battery already comes with a fee: sales tax. The supply chain for producing the battery is likewise taxed in various ways.
> So it makes sense to tax the fuel-supply of the electric car in the same way as the fuel tax.
Then why are you talking about taxing the battery? The battery is the container, not the fuel. Electricity is already taxed.
One option is tolls. Nobody likes tolls.
Another option is this fee - but it doesn't accurately reflect the wear on a road generated by the car.
A tire tax? Higher inspection fees? The latter would discourage the cars that need inspections from getting inspections due to the cost.
Maybe we need to wholly rethink how we fund public transportation infrastructure - not just roads, but railways and bridges and aeronautics.
"We're not getting our gas taxes and destroying the environment in the process, so guess what? You owe us the $100 we would have forced out of you annually had you of purchased an all gas vehicle for $10,000 less."
I thought property taxes were meant to pay for local roads?