Why Microsoft's "Scroogled" Campaign Is Childish
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We're literally looking at history in the making with this campaign. If MSFT declines in the coming years, this will be regarded as a signal of the beginning of the end. If they improve, this will be regarded as a "darkest before the dawn" moment. There are plenty of varying degrees of "bad," but "historical-record bad" is what Scroogled is.
It seems that chrome books are sooo good that MS feels sooo scared that they have lost all dignity, and now spend big money in a joke that is not funny but actually quite revealing of their sad situation.
(1) Google Docs - not Drive - does not have "nearly the same capabilities" as Office by any reasonable definition. FFS, they don't even seem to have proper support for custom paragraph styles, widow/orphan control, etc. There are certainly ways in which Google Docs improves over Office, especially wrt collaborative editing, but there are also massive gaps that make it almost unusable for anything medium-size or larger.
(2) Microsoft's characterization of Chromebooks as "useless without the internet" is not entirely wrong. Constant internet connectivity might be the norm everywhere the author has gone, but it's still not something one can rely on in every corner of the globe. That being the case, "suitable for use while traveling" really might not apply sometimes. By the author's own cited definition, Chromebooks - like the one I'm typing this on - might not be real laptops for many people.
In both cases, the author starts with a grain of truth and then destroys his own point with exaggeration. The piece would have been far more effective if he had stuck with the facts - which are damning enough - instead of letting his bias shine through.
[1] http://blogs.office.com/b/office365tech/archive/2013/11/06/c...
I can't really say why this bothers me -- maybe it is because I know that their ad matching algorithm gave inaccurate results (so it grates on my OCD, maybe?), or maybe it just feels like I'm being stalked by people trying to sell me something.
For google ads, at least, you can click the "ad choices" button on the ad and clear the things it guesses about you (you can obviously also just delete the doubleclick cookie). I actually don't mind doubleclick ads so much (don't burn me at the stake) since they can't combine it with your google account information and I have depended on them for my source of income in the past, so I do wish they had a button for "clear retargeting ads" but left all the other demographic info in place.
This looks like it does the same thing for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/targeted-adve...
There may be IBA opt-out extensions for other browsers. AFAICT all they do is permanently block the DoubleClick and related cookies.
This, in combination with Adblock Plus, seems to do the job for me. There are a lot of people complaining that the extensions don't work, but they probably do not realize that these only block the collection of new data tied to your browsing history, and not the display of the ads themselves, which is what you need Adblock Plus for.
You have to wonder how these kinds of things happen. Or perhaps Google knows something we don't...
I was recently really confused as to why I was seeing so many ads for young women's clothing. I'm a 28 year old man. Then I realized I read an article on HN about Nasty Gal's great successes.
So very very creepy.
What's he talking about? Making this claim without a cite is annoying. Making copy-and-paste not work so I couldn't even copy and paste it here is even more annoying.
http://googleblog.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/microsofts-bing-use...
http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-...
http://searchengineland.com/bing-why-googles-wrong-in-its-ac...
I'd love to see that on the Scroogled page.
(I recognize that on the internet I have basically no privacy from people who want to extract useful signals from my behavior. It sounds icky but in practice it doesn't seem to be a problem and it's a huge pain to prohibit. What bothers me is Microsoft pretending to be pro-privacy and anti-tracking when it does the same kind of data collection and mining as everyone else.)
Also, AFAIK Hotmail (or live or outlook or whatever it's called now) does not, and never has, targeted ads based on keywords in the email. I'm not that big on privacy so I still use Gmail but at least MS is not being hypocritical in that respect.
Bing search, on the other hand, does all the sorts of tracking and mining Google (and Facebook etc.) does, but so far the Scroogled campaign hasn't said anything about search.
The scroogled ads are pretty good for microsoft standards.
My concern is less with the data collection, and more with the lack of native application support. If it looks like a laptop, consumers like my parents will think they found the best deal in the world when they come across it. I have talked both of them out of buying one because it won't run the work applications they need (they wanted to use it to replace their aging laptops). If it was a tablet, I'd have no problem with it. Consumers are used to the idea of tablets as toys (and don't expect them to run office and their workplace's custom windows apps).
As a programmer, I really don't want another platform to write native apps for; there are so many already. I'll learn it if they get enough market penetration. I don't know enough about the native APIs for the chromebook; how different is it to write a chromebook app than an android one? Is it web only? Are you really cut off from any functionality if you aren't around wifi?
People need to know this.
Ads are usually not considered a direct part of the website. For instance while most online comic sites have ads, ads are not the point. From the user perspective ads aren't the point of www.google.com, but from Google's perspective it is.
Claiming that News Corp is a media company is somewhat tenable. They sell "media" direct to consumer, among other things, and media is an end product.
Claiming that Google is an ad company is, similarly, tenable: they sell ads. Showing ads is the end product.
You may just have been making a joke, in which case I apologize for the lengthy response, but claiming that a circus is a ticket printing company in no way relates to either argument.
Tickets are categorically not a product. Nobody would care if a circus uses tickets or stamps or facial recognition. They are a means to admittance to the end product. The show. That's why they bother with the elephants and acrobatics.
Google, on the other hand, is in fact an ad company. They sell ads for the vast majority of their revenue. That's what they do. They dabble elsewhere and are expanding to new areas which is totally fine. Just look at the history of Nokia--ever heard of Nokia the paper company or Nokia the galoshes manufacturer?
However, as a company that is exploding with cash from the ad business, Google has clear priorities. They maintain their current revenue and use their fantastic capital for other stuff that at the very least won't hurt that business. More likely, they invest in things that will further it by collecting your information and showing you ads. Like the Chromebook.
All that said, the Scroogled campaign is silly and not an effective way to raise that issue.
I almost bought my wife a chromebook for christmas, I researched this a bit for fun. Might buy one for myself too.
Basically you google for "how to write chromebook app" (or Bing, LOL who am I kidding no one uses bing) and eventually get to
https://developers.google.com/chrome/apps/docs/index
You probably want "packaged app" which unsurprisingly turns out to be "how to write a chrome browser app"
I thought it was all pretty interesting and have a few ideas to try.
"I really don't want another platform to write native apps for"
Careful careful, thats how cobol programmers and the like get stagnant and then unemployable. I'm not saying dive in head first, but sticking a toe in to see what the water is like, is perfectly reasonable. Go have some fun.
In practice, lets be realistic, its 2013 soon 2014, 99% of "apps" use web pages as the presentation layer. I'm not going to write anything to use gmail or hangouts or google drive or facebook or a bazillion other end user applications. 99% of her time osx is just a Chrome bootloader for my wife, so I'm thinking of moving it out of the way...
There exist a couple remote desktop apps, rdesktop rdp vnc whatever. And I have a perfectly good virtualization compatible server in the basement, so in the unlikely even she needed a "real" desktop, its not hard to remotely access.
The biggest problem with chromebooks is the good ones are "always" sold out and the bad ones have weird issues like the video drivers are not compatible with normal codecs so do whatever you want as long as its not youtube / netflix / prime video / whatever. And that is a problem. If you're sold out of the good stuff, you don't need to buy advertising.
When it comes to their marketing, absolutely nothing surprises me any more.
2. The "I'm a Mac" campaign was childish, and even though I was predominantly on Windows then and the ads were so very wrong, I laughed along at them. Similarly, I'm primarily a Gmail user, but that GmailMan character is hilarious.
3. However the campaign appears to us, apparently it's working?! http://adage.com/article/digital/microsoft-s-google-bashing-...
On the other hand, some doubt if that's really translating into commercial success: http://marketingland.com/microsoft-scroogled-campaign-61887
You think when they brought veteran political campaign pollster Mark Penn [1] to run the anti-Google campaign, he brought political-campaign-style negative ads but left the push polls [2] at home?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/technology/google-accused-...
Wow, that is an insanely monetized blog. Does anyone else see random works linking to search ads and if you select something you get a search query ad?
The content is also pretty muddy. In my opinion Microsoft's campaign isn't childish, it's just lame. Does Google do all these things? Of course they do, it makes them billions of dollars a quarter. Does it bother Microsoft that they can't seem to get away with the same kinds of things? Of course it does, their search ads monetize at 1/3 to 1/5th the rate that Google's do. Would they like someone other than folks who understand how search works to "get" this ? Sure.
But that is the same battle animal rights people have trying to convince egg eaters that the eggs came out of tortured chickens. At one level it may be true, and at a much larger level it may be totally irrelevant to the consumer.
So where does that put the OP who is trying exploit Microsoft's strategy to pick up some AdSense coin out of Google? Does he care? Really? His subtext is "Hey we're all gettin' rich here off the Goog, Microsoft. Go whine somewhere else." Heck Google doesn't particularly care about their search results at the level where this is being argued, they only care that they are tasty enough to lure enough eyeballs to feed their customers, the advertisers. If they get less tasty they will fix them, if someone gets mouthy about whether or not their content should be considered tasty they will fix them too.
There is web search technology which is one thing, and there is web search the business which is a completely different thing. Confusing them will make it hard to reason coherently about them.
"Look at how Google is spying on you! Here at Microsoft, we totally don't do such shenanigans. I swear on me mum, mate!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_news_release
Its not new, although they've been growing in popularity for decades. I could see a stream of nothing but VNRs eventually replacing TV infotainment as we know it today.
This turned out to be a lie, right?
I remember that there were claims, the claims I read were not directly from google, of copying search results as well, but the evidence was not as direct or as damning as for the spelling correction.
But overall bing is not too bad. It's a quite respectable search search engine on its own right. It's not quite as good as google, but I use it regularly to work around some google misfeatures. What really annoys me in google is that you cannot cutnpaste PDF urls from search result. I'm sure there is some workaround, but it's easier to just temporarily switch to bing in the search bar to solve it (and it typically finds the same thing) bing seems to also have less spam.
I do not remember such a case lying. Do you remember any other details like who uncovered that it was a lie or who made the report?
However Microsoft responded that they used Internet Explorer or some other client side tech with the "use my searches" options turned on to go to the honeypot on google.com, leading to Microsoft to get a hold of it.
So less of a "Microsoft steals Google results" and more of a "Microsoft follows Google results when you use their browser and don't tell it not to".
(and bringing up Bing copying Google's search results, and the ad campaign backfiring and somehow leading to chromebook sales isn't going to lend itself to a non-stupid HN discussion)
Crying about Microsoft's Scroogled campaign is childish.
>When asked about the shirts, Google said that they "are very interested in Microsoft's latest venture. The wearables market is becoming very competitive".
This could be taken as a reference to Google Glass. MS and their vendors don't seem to have anything near ready to show to compete with Glass, but apparently they're on top of the T-shirt game.
Why not just build great software that speaks for itself rather than try to manipulate your potential customers with high risks of backfire, as in this case.
If they were, they would be.
> I hear more about Chromebooks from this campaign than I do from Google's own ads.
And the main thing I hear from this campaign is that Microsoft is desperately afraid that I might by a Chromebook.
Same here! If you look at the sales numbers for the past year, Microsoft is doing nothing but going 'after' Google. Keep it up, guys.