In a Car-Culture Clash, It’s the Los Angeles Police vs. Pedestrians
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There is a bigger trend here though. As several recent studies have shown, people in their 20s are turning against cars. So a city that favors cars at the expense of pedestrians and bicycles is also one that favors the old at the expense of the young.
Do you exercise outdoors? Would you seriously prefer to run at Griffith Park rather than on The Strand?
When I lived in LA, everyone who preferred the weather east of the 405 didn't exercise outdoors (if at all). They would ask, "Isn't the weather beautiful today?" after walking for less than 30 seconds from their air conditioned car to our air conditioned office.
(I've long since moved from LA to the Pacific Northwest, where I can work up a comfortable sweat hiking Mount Rainier.)
There is a stretch from Aug to Sept or so where I need to be done by 11am (or start late afternoon). Every year is a bit different though... sometimes there is not much of a winter, sometimes the summer is mild, sometimes almost hellish... luck of the draw I guess.
In any case I can usually count on about 3/4 of the year being sunny, 80F, and low humidity. I've traveled but have not seen better.
To the previous commenter's point: Culver City has it all in terms of food, rental space, and access to the (albeit lacking) LA Metro.
I've visited LA recently (I stayed a week to see if I might live there) and I can tell you that many of those types actually live and work in Santa Monica which is quite bike and ped friendly.
I have a friend who is working on a startup there ( http://www.homehero.org/ ) out of one of the coworking spaces. He bikes to work.
Startups clustered first in the aggressively car-centric suburbs of Silicon Valley and in large part remain there. Even the YC offices are a long slog from Caltrain, on foot through big streets clogged with cars and parking lots. If Mountain View can attract startups why can't LA? I don't even agree with these jaywalking fines but there seem to be at least as many car lovers among my startup friends as my writer pals. (More, actually, when you factor in all the friends who live in NY.)
It's no Portland, but drivers seem pretty attentive. Of course, I bet the average Mountain View startup founder owns a car.
And as for YC, it's less than a mile from the Caltrain, in weather that is almost always dry and warm, mostly along roads that are pretty empty of cars. A lot of the founders we fund never get cars during the 3 month cycle, because they can get everywhere by bike and Caltrain.
Those numbers aren't inconsistent with it being possible to bike in those cities, but they suggest that people in practice don't. Here's a map: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bike/8007583135/
Infrastructurally, it's quite noticeable as well. The Valley doesn't feel like a bike- or pedstrian-friendly place, but like a place criss-crossed by huge roads, giant parking lots, and not only interstates and state freeways, but county expressways, something I've rarely seen elsewhere (apparently the Peninsula opted out of BART and took the money that would've been spent there, to build abominations like the San Tomas and Lawrence expressways, instead). I remember walking from Mountain View Caltrain to the Microsoft campus on La Avenida once for a SuperHappyDevHouse, and it clearly did not seem like a route anyone ever expected a pedestrian to walk on.
I was just trying to make the point that even in a car-centric place you can have good startups. To an SF worker it seems kinda miraculous that the Valley proper, with its relatively weak mass transit, is still such a startup hub. So I tend to give LA the benefit of the doubt in terms of startups vs transport.
And yes Palo Alto > LA for sure. I wish the whole Valley were a little more like Palo Alto.
We (Factual) recently moved offices but stayed in Century City because we like the locale so much. But our employees are distributed all around LA and it is a relatively central location for them. Most drive but several are switching to (dangerous) bicycling and taking the bus.
The real "startup" hub in the Los Angeles area seems to be in Santa Monica, far from downtown LA, where the crackdown in the article seems to be taking place, and outside the jurisdiction of LAPD. It's home of many startups, near UCLA and home of at least one incubator (Mucker Lab).
I've worked in Santa Monica during my time here and it's surprisingly bike and pedestrian friendly (as are most of the beach cities). I don't currently work at a startup, but the my current employer has indoor bike rakes that are well used as did my previous (startup) employer. Startups chose this part of town over downtown LA, or other parts of town for many reasons, in spite of high rents for office space. They do so for many reasons, but I have a feeling that one is the ability for folks to get to work in a variety of ways, including on foot or by bike.
All-in-all, the beach cities are awesome, but costs easily compete with the best of SF, especially if you like the newer, more modern stuff closer to the beach...
One of the most (pleasantly) jarring things I noticed about my move from NYC to SF is how totally dominant pedestrians are in SF, how totally deferential drivers are to pedestrians, and frankly how polite drivers are to each other. SF is filled with 4-way stop signs, and there's a very efficient (unspoken) system of coordinating who goes when (based on arrival time at the stop sign). If you dare break the system, you get yelled (honked) at mercilessly.
As a pedestrian in SF, I sometimes have to insist that cars go ahead (I'm rarely in a rush when I'm walking, and I know how frustrating it can be as a driver to wait for a slow person to meander across the street). You need to do nothing more than approach a crosswalk and every car in every direction will stop and wait for you to cross -- people even insist that you cross and will stop their cars while in mid-turn. I find that sometimes ill have to actually walk away from the curb if I'm waiting for someone or not actually crossing yet, otherwise I impede traffic. It's pretty cool.
I spent a weekend in New Orleans recently, and one of the first things I noticed was the complete lack of that pedestrian deference. Step in the street at a crosswalk and cars will rush to get through before you start crossing.
I guess that's what they mean when they say "Live in Northern California, but leave before you get soft" ;)
I confess to being baffled by these quotes: Are these not the law?
In every province in which I've lived, the rules for stop signs are simple: First in, first out. In case of multiple simultaneous arrivals, vehicle on the right has right of way. Only pathological case is a multi-road intersection with perfectly equal spacing between roads, e.g., four-way intersection of two perpendicular roads - the drivers have to sort something out, but it's such a rare case it's not worth solving.
That regulation works just as well for large intersections when then the lights are out: As you arrive, take note of who else is already there - you have right of way when they are all gone, everyone else has to wait for you.
That regulation is observed in Ontario, NB, NS, PEI, and, to a lesser or greater extent, Quebec (highway regs are provincial, but we're pretty consistent on many sensible points).
Likewise, pedestrians have absolute right of way wherever they are permitted to be. That is less observed, especially in bigger cities in Ontario and especially in Quebec, but is strictly observed in the Maritimes: Popup from between parked cars in Wolfville - or even Saint John, on many streets - and traffic halts for you.
The last time anyone has tested my abilities behind the wheel can be measured in decades. It's a wonder we're not plowing into each other more often.
1. ORS 811.260(15) http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/811.260
"At any intersection with stop signs in all four directions, it is common courtesy to allow the driver who stops first to go first."
Good Gawd, "common courtesy"?! What's wrong with your lawmakers down there?
So I stand corrected. Apparently not every state has this clearly defined.
(As an example of a state that does clearly define it, first thing I find on Google is Michigan, which matches exactly what I described: http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/traffic_talk_wha...)
We also have a significant number of completely uncontrolled intersections in dense, urban neighborhoods. No lights, no signs, nothing other than “please drive slowly with caution.” So it's not just the legislators who are a little lax.
Moreover, the same deference can also be seen in Boston, which is a very walkable city. Although jaywalking is very common in Boston. New Orleans is a completely different city--only a small section of it has significant pedestrian traffic, and that section is often closed off to cars, anyway.
[1] http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&gr...
I think there's a blog article from Raymond Chen where he notes how the LA concert hall building is totally designed for people arriving from the underground parking lot, and claims that the minimum number of parking slots required for such a building by regulations in LA are higher than the maximum permitted by regulations in NYC...
Take Times Square, why should thousands of pedestrians have to wait extra time to cross, or even just have less breathing room to stand around, so that cars with one to four people in them can have a more direct route to wherever they are going? Let them go around.
1. http://www.td.gov.hk/en/transport_in_hong_kong/pedestrianisa...
Secondly the LAPD regularly does the reverse of this crackdown and has plain cloths officers cross said crosswalks in order to catch motorists who aren't paying attention/don't care.
I live in Hollywood and every few months I see a jay walking/unmarked crosswalk related accident. When you have distracted motorists in a busy area it's going to happen. When it gets really busy the LAPD cracks down on both sides and erects barriers to keep people on the sidewalk. Seems to work well here but probably is too manpower intensive for downtown.
Just look at this statistic from NY for 2012: http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/dmv1.j...
135 pedestrians killed. These are not people that suddenly collapsed and died, they died from intersections in the space-time continuum with cars. And nobody is being charged for these crashes, if you are not drunk or flee the scene, you can kill people with impunity (jumping the curb included).
I highly recommend reading through http://www.streetsblog.org for a few pages. Or try this article, it's a good summary of all that is wrong:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/nyregion/traffic-agent-fat...
My favorite is when people block traffic to cross one way, then the light changes, and they do the same thing to cross the other way. If they had just crossed the two streets in the opposite order, they would have done both crossings with the right of way. Stupid, stupid idiots.
I also enjoy it when people jump out from between parked cars right into the bike lane. It must be nice to have a destination that would be out of the way if you went to the fucking corner to cross the street.
Did you know that if you don't have a driver's license and you kill a little kid on the way to school, the maximum penalty is a $500 fine and 30 days in jail [1]? If you ever want to murder anyone, the message is clear: do it in New York, with your car.
[1] http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/12/20/unlicensed-truck-drive...
But look at the date... End-of-the-month quota-filling dragnet likely.
New taxes is popular too, but if you live in a city that has legal issues with creating new taxes they suddenly institute new "fees".
As more cities drown in their budgets you can expect more of this behavior from some cities. Not all of them will go down this road, but many will.
You can expect, and we've already seen much of this, new ideas of generating revenue such as fines, fees, and/or taxes. All at the expense of the people that these revenues are supposed to somehow help.
It makes sense, it generates a ton of revenue and isn't subject to many of the traditional political procedures. I'd be curious if any LA locals agree or disagree with that assessment?
I've gotten tickets here, but one was on the freeway from CHP, and the other was in Burbank (which is a different city and police department). In Burbank the officer was explicitly waiting for someone to do what I did, which kind of annoyed me.
But in Los Angeles itself, LAPD has left me completely alone. I joke that unless you're actively stabbing someone in front of them, they have better things to do.
Parking is another matter. There's a parking enforcement department, and they are quite aggressive, 24 hours a day.
Most of us have very little interaction with LAPD, since they maintain low numbers of officers for a city its size. But when it comes from extracting $$$ from citizens they are a well-oiled machine. You can expect a parking ticket within 15 minutes anywhere in the city. Santa Monica (a different city) is even more aggressive.
There was a a period about 8 years ago when the LAPD and CHP waged an aggressive campaign against automobile drivers that failed to yield the right of way to pedestrians (including jaywalkers). Going after pedestrians (that are actually using crossswalks, but are just entering them after the don't walk countdown starts), seems like a shift in policy against pedestrians. The greater threat by far to life and well-being for citizens here are drivers that don't yield to pedestrians.
Of course, pursuing that sort of policy would be to the benefit of the majority of Los Angelusians, and the LAPD's general purpose is not to do anything of the kind.
"First, I learnt that the Atlanta police are barbaric, brutal, and out of control. The violence I experienced was the worst of my sheltered life. Muggers who attacked me once near my home in Oxford were considerably more gentle with me than the Atlanta cops."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/felipe-fern...
And a $197 fine?! WTF? Glad I'm not living in LA, I could rack up thousands of dollars in a few hours if walking as one does in London.
And therein lies the problem. There is a subset of American pedestrians who, because the law says they have the right of way, believe that the laws of physics also do not apply to them either. I have personally witnessed, too many times to count, a pedestrian approaching a crosswalk across a busy, four lane road, who continues, fast paced, without slowing the slightest, towards, into, and across, the crosswalk, without so much as even a glance left or right to check where the oncoming traffic happens to be. I.e., they just step out in front of cars (4 lanes worth) moving 35MPH, with no regard for how much distance there is between a cars hood and their spot in the crosswalk.
The only thing that saves them from getting killed is the random positioning of cars such that they don't actually step in front of a car with only 20 feet left before impact, and the fact that the drivers with 100 feet of space left nearly skid to a stop because of the fool that forget what his/her mother taught them: "Always look both ways before crossing the street".
Sadly, this total lack of common sense seems to infest about 20% of the pedestrian population, and is a major factor contributing to the accident rate. Because quite simply, if you are not in front of a moving car, you can't possibly be hit.
Perhaps the best approach would be to not punish 'safe' jaywalking but to give out harsh tickets for those that cause cars to slam the brakes/similar.
Yes, this would be best, but sadly like so many root causes of problems, it will likely not get addressed.
Not sure for pedestrians but by logic this applies to them as well. Logically a flashing don't walk signal to someone who hasn't started walking over the crossing means Stop. What else could it mean?? Run over the road or cross as fast as possible. Definitely not as that would increase accident probability.
It's not that unreasonable to have a different law for cars than for pedestrians.
Ask yourself with what object do fast late crossing pedestrians have the most problems with? ( hint: it's heavy )
(Disclaimer: This is based on Raleigh, NC's traffic lights. I don't know what level this is standardized at.)
http://peds.org/resources/pedestrian_right_of_way/
Start reading at: Pedestrian control signals
Also:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/secti...
http://www.durham.ca/print.asp?nr=/departments/works/roads/t...
The fine for a car going through a red light is only ~$500 in California.
Note that for autos, the equivalent is the yellow lamp in a stoplight and in that case the rule is that the vehicle must have entered the intersection before the lamp turns red. So LA seems to have standards that are paradoxically more stringent for pedestrians.
There isn't any fines like that in other European countries either, so what you're basing your views on I don't know:
That said, the reason they want to crack down on that is they are treating these as gaps for cars to turn (mostly right), instead of heaving either a separate arrow for turning or changing the pedestrian light behavior to allow for a non-flashing red. Basically, instead of spending money to promote public health, they are "taxing" the public through citations.
There are similar examples of these tactics with cars as well. Remember, LA has a serious budget problem: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/18/local/la-me-ln-posit...
The positive news from that article is that they are "only" expecting to be lose "between $153 million and $242 million"...
I get that a fine of $200 for starting to cross on a flashing "Don't Walk" is a bit excessive. But people should not be surprised by a ticket for jaywalking. They are only surprised because it turns out that "everyone does it" isn't really a good defense. I do it. By myself and with groups also doing it. Never got a ticket. But if I did get a ticket, it would totally be justified.
- if (person.isCrossingWithoutSignal) officer.cite(person, fine=$197.00);
+ if (person.isCrossingWithoutSignal && nearbyTraffic.isImpededBy(person)) officer.cite(person, fine=$30.00);I hope the LAPD move onto something more reasonable.