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Comment by rajeevk | Hacker News Reader

What kind of innovation do you see in Android? It has been almost being copy-pasted. Google copied everything, from kernel (Linux) to UI design and trying to make lot of money from it and expecting others not to sue.

EDIT: The replies of this comment say that the others (Apple etc) are too copying and copying kernel in not wrong. Well, I did not say that copying is wrong. What I mean is that copying is NOT innovation.

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To be fair, Apple has done its fair share of copying the last few years, too. They all do it now. Singling out one is pretty silly these days.

Also, Android didn't copy the kernel. They adopted it, modified it, and abide by the license (and have even started contributing changes upstream).

There is nothing wrong with "copying" kernel. This is what the open source is aimed at: Infectious growth. In fact that was the right and smart thing to do.

I did not say the copying is wrong. I said copying is not innovation

I think you might be unfamiliar with 'open source' and its licensing. Android is a Linux-based distribution, which means that it uses a Linux kernel.

'Copy': make a similar or identical version of; reproduce: [1] Google forked and contribute to the kernel. They did not create their own identical version of, or reproduce, the kernel.

[1] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/copy

"Forking" does not necessarily mean "innovation". Innovation, by definition, requires something new. "Doing the same things differently" is only innovative to the extent that things are done differently. (Android certainly did do some innovative things, just saying that forking the kernel was probably not it.)

Yes, but reinventing the wheel is not innovation, it is stupidity. Why write a new kernel if there is a very good one available? Innovation often is in taking existing things and combining them in new ways (or improving already existing inventions, which is what google is doing).

but, but, but, I never mentioned anything about forking === innovation (unless your response wasn't directed at me :) ).

I think the correct term you're looking for is 'forked'. Which inevitably brings forth the discussion of dongling the fork, or is it forking the dongle?

BTW, widgets were original to android in regards to apple, were they not?

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