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> Whatsapp is less secure then Telegram

Whatsapp never claimed to keep your chat secure. Telegram did. Many people offered gentle advice to Telegram, and they ignored it.

Maybe it's a cultural thing? Not just domains-of-expertise (mathematicians going into crypto) but international?

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Snapchat creators claim (at least imply) that messages could not be saved which is untrue.

Most advices to telegram developers at previous HN discussion were to stop doing crypto and do something else. I would not consider them as “gentle advices”. The only help from the community to their application is the bug report x7mz user from habrahabr site.

Crypto is life and death. I have spent a lot of years learning it as a hobby... Its a dangerous field to play in. It's super complex, and all it takes is one tiny mistake anywhere in the program (be it at the protocol level or implementation) and then bam: game over. So, when you release something, you are nervous about it. Telegram wasn't, and as it turns out, they should have been. That is bad.

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