I wish there was an article that succinctly conveys to potential users why Telegram is snakeoil and why TextSecure is the real deal.
Disclaimer: I work for them.
We need focused talking points, e.g. the fact that the NSA and other governments vacuum up all your data, and that TextSecure represents the first step toward a future in which it's very difficult for governments to do that. Whereas with Telegram, it's just as easy for them to access your conversations as it is for them to bypass SSL. Governments can and will do so. That's what users are concerned about; that's what they care about. Telegram has no defense against that argument due to their protocol's inherent vulnerability to this form of attack. Therefore it's the single most important point for to stress to any potential user.
Yet it's getting lost in the noise. Actually, I haven't seen it mentioned very much at all. Someone should do a writeup calling attention to it.
No we don't. At least not for your goal of:
an article that succinctly conveys to potential users why Telegram is snakeoil and why TextSecure is the real deal
There is no way to convey this with better rhetoric because the proof is in the technical detail, the party that is wrong can just ramp theirs rhetoric up too. If you don't dig into that detail, it just becomes a he said/she said argument that no observers can judge on merit. Those discussion relies on the participants to be knowledgeable, and politely acknowledge when they're out of their depth technically or just plain wrong. But there is nothing to enforce that, see any Hacker News discussion about something that isn't web development or devops.
I am selling fire-proof safes. These are designed to protect your documents and valuables from thieves and from fire and other events.
The normal way people set up tests is to put some documents and valuables in a box and actually try to break it (MythBusters style, bringing out cool machinery and trying different ways). For fire resistance, there is a rating system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-resistance_rating) and a standard way to test.
The Telegram proposition is: we are going to place the safe in Fort Knox. If you can't break the safe that is in Fort Knox, then clearly our safe is secure.
The Article rebuttal: to break the safe, you have to break into Fort Knox. And for all intents and purposes that's not going to happen. You could have put a cardboard box and no one could tell the difference because of how you structured the test.
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But please don't dismiss well written and well thought-out critiques like this one just because you didn't understand the arguments.
The problem isn't that potential users are lacking anything. It's that nobody on our side of the table has communicated clearly and succinctly. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6941007
Further, your linked comment seems to be exactly what they're complaining about - Textmate good, Telegram bad. It doesn't explain why and why turns out to be quite hard to explain succinctly.
What makes the Article here not sufficient from your perspective?
As for the article, it's well written, but most of the points had been answered in Telegram FAQ or comments on HN. And yet they come up again and again. Not all, most.
I'm not sure what you mean by this as I'm not the author, so you haven't criticised anything I've said.
>> As for the article, it's well written, but most of the points had been answered in Telegram FAQ or comments on HN. And yet they come up again and again. Not all, most.
Not adequately, hence the well written deconstruction by the post author.
I'm going to echo what I've seen in another post - you appear to be a Telegram cheerleader with a brand new account, are you associated with them at all?
Discussions on HN about Telegram were mentioned on several Russian sites (e.g. [1]). No wonder that some persons decided to pitch in.
[1] http://www.siliconrus.com/2013/12/telegram-vs-hacker-news/ Approximate translation: "How experts on Hacker News laughed at Telegram."