LiteCoin is Causing Shortages of AMD Radeon GPUs
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Shortly thereafter I came to the realization that, if this many people are jumping into the Litecoin pool, mining Litecoins is going to get a lot harder very quickly, so I stopped bothering to look.
1. http://ltc.block-explorer.com/address/LYmsP841obKKt9jkapj8iK...
or bitcoins -> cryptsy -> ltc -> wallet.
i've traded on both sites and its worked out relatively well
There's also https://www.bitaddress.org/ for bitcoins.
Also note that both these pages work completely offline. You can git clone the repos. Copy the files to a trusted-offline computer and generate the pub/priv there for extra confidence that the private-key never left your PC.
ExtraNote: Do _NOT_ lose the private key. If you start to obtain lots of value in your coins, make backups of your wallet.dat or even better make sure you have the private-key on a piece of physical paper and properly secured in your home, in case of wallet.dat corruption/misplacement/deleted/etc. Don't end up like this: http://i.imgur.com/oJWtJjl.png
ExtraNote2: Ignore the chatbox(commonly called "trollbox") on btc-e.com. It's nonsense advice that'll lose your money, but it's funny to read. ;)
Thats right, nothing but hope.
There are even mining pools such as middlecoin that shift from one scrypt-based alt coin to another depending on what is easiest to mine and sell on exchanges for BTC. As a miner, you don't have to lift a finger, just point cgminer at the pool's address and supply a BTC address for payouts, the pool operator takes care of the rest.
Some smaller altcoins (such as stablecoin) have had to make changes to their difficulty calculations because these pools, with relatively massive amounts of hashing power, come in, push up a coin's difficulty and then leave again once it's no longer profitable. Sitting on the sidelines, it's been really interesting to watch.
If someone makes Litecoin ASICs, we will have a huge network of space heaters.
CPU-only mining would be a lot more decentralized, if such a thing is even possible.
And even if that's not the optimization (I'm not an expert on ProtoShares or memory-constrained algorithms), I am highly skeptical of anyone claiming a computation problem is optimally solved by a laptop, and cannot be optimized with custom engineering.
1. http://www.ibtimes.com/secret-bitcoin-mine-chinese-facility-...
People pursue mining because of the rewards built into bitcoin, transaction fees are supposed to eventually replace that reward.
Sure, but the total energy being "wasted" by Bitcoin mining globally may still be increasing.
In addition, when the market becomes more efficient we'll see all commercial mining done in places like Iceland that have dirt-cheap renewable energy sources and cheap cooling.
1. Use cryptocurrency
2. Fire 10% of bank employees
3. ???
4. Profit!
I am no expert on banking, but I'd be really surprised if 10% of banking employees were doing things that become unneccessary with cryptocurrencies.
Most steps that can be automated are automated already, and the number of sysadmins certainly won't decrease.
That is, here in Europe. I've heared that there is some inefficient weirdness going on with "wire transfers" in the US, but that is not the case here.
Shame this isn't just arbitrary math instead of contributing to something like folding@home.
Creating/sustaining an inefficient financial industry [1] is a bad use of society's resources. Just like breaking a mirror for the sake of giving work to the repair man is a net loss to society.
[1] I claim "inefficiency" compared to crypto-currencies. Example: transferring $150 million via Bitcoin uses less resources than doing it via the legacy financial system: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6782706
>Creating/sustaining an inefficient financial industry [1] is a bad use of society's resources.
Not only are you being reductionist and naive, that statement is 100% opinion. Its not "inefficient" to have banks and the services they provide. That's just your pie-in-the-sky take here.
But at least some activities of the traditional financial sector can be made more efficient by crypto-currencies, hence the value they provide to society. (Again I refer you to this one example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6782706)
That isn't to say you should break your windows on purpose. That's just stupid.
And all of those things are consuming real resources, far more than bitcoin ever will consume in electricity or "neckbeards going through garbage dumps". Building a bank is probably way worse for the environment, man-hours/wages spent for employees, armored cars transporting physical cash, etc.
Not to mention the other criticisms of banks which are way more significant than this.
1) The total electricity used in Bitcoin mining is pegged to the bitcoin supply, which is decreasing towards zero. So the amount of electricity used should be decreasing. It may temporarily increase while prices go up, but the long term trend will be towards zero. And transaction fees shouldn't change this too much. Competition amongst miners should eventually drive those towards zero too.
2) It's not just bookkeeping that's happening, it's dispute resolution. Currently your financial disputes are solved by calling your credit card company and having them deal with it. There's a whole network of dispute resolution services going all the way up to the SCOTUS. All of which uses resources. Bitcoin does all that through mining.
3) It's not actually that much power. The hashrate is 7m GH/s. Let's assume 2 watts per GH/s, that's 14 megawatts. You could power that with three big wind turbines.
Describing the relationship as 'pegged' is also sort of aggressive. A better statement would be that most people will only spend electricity if they are able to recover that cost in bitcoin (and probably a small profit). So there is some upper limit of mining activity to be expected given the current bitcoin price, size of reward and typical efficiency of mining hardware (cost of electricity will also factor in, but that should be relatively stable).
So, if the upper bound and lower bound are pretty close, what's wrong with saying "pegged"?
For example, you've put the current electricity consumption at something like $100,000 a day (14,000 kw * 24 hours * $0.20 = $67,200). The mining reward is closer to $3 million per day.
No, its not. "Mining" is a misleading term based on the early-phase reward. A better name for the function would be "providing resources for transaction processing". In the early phase, the reward is new bitcoins (hence, "mining" as the common name for the process), in the late phase it becomes transaction fees.
> And transaction fees shouldn't change this too much. Competition amongst miners should eventually drive those towards zero too.
Competition among miners only drives transaction fees to zero if there are a large number of miners compared to the number of transactions -- i.e., if either usage isn't high or lots of people are dedicating resources to mining (and thus, electricity usage isn't going to zero.)
> It's not just bookkeeping that's happening, it's dispute resolution.
No, its just bookkeeping.
> Currently your financial disputes are solved by calling your credit card company and having them deal with it.
True for certain classes of financial disputes when credit cards are used, but not generally the case. But, whatever.
> There's a whole network of dispute resolution services going all the way up to the SCOTUS. All of which uses resources. Bitcoin does all that through mining.
No, it does not do the same function as the entire court system in terms of financial dispute resolution. Disputes involving Bitcoin are still resolved through the legal process. In fact, the absence of chargeback like mechanisms means that any disputes require escalation to more expensive mechanisms of dispute resolution sooner.
(Now, if transactions are done in a manner which is anonymous, dispute resolution may be practically impossible in the same way that that can be become the case if you are doing anonymous drops to exchange cash and goods -- but that doesn't mean that mining is fulfilling the dispute resolution function, just that you've adopted a protocol which excludes dispute resolution.)
If the problem was purely mathematical in nature, that's where you don't really need authority.
(I think the important thing is that you have to prove you didn't start the current pow until the previous work unit is done, right? Fortunately, there are lots of proteins to be folded. You can use the previous pow to select the parameters for the next pow. The hashes are uniformly distributed, so that will eventually range over the set of proteins.)
It has to do with the different architecture allowing more 32-bit operations per second.
Another is that AMD uses a large number of simple cores, and Nvidia has a smaller number of more complicated cores. The simple cores are all the hash function needs, so AMD can run more operations at once.
Apparently AMDs have been declared the winner in terms of work accomplished/resources-consumed ratio.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/153467-amd-destroys-nvi...
EDIT: grammar
The reason, more or less, is that AMD GPUs tend to have way more cores than Nvidia GPUs, and their cores can, in hardware, do the integer operation necessary for the hashing algorithm. Nvidia can only emulate the integer operation, so it takes three instructions on Nvidia vs one on AMD.
I wonder if the demand for altcoin mining cards will end up becoming so great that Nvidia will modify their architecture to better facilitate it.
http://edjiang.com/post/69758178501/mining-altcoins-for-fun-...
I'm sure there is some increased demand from cryptocoin mining, but really its pretty myopic if you think even half of the Nov/Dec demand for GPUs is going that way.
But it is entirely possible that Apple feels the shortage of AMD GPUs right now, which could be one of the causes for the Mac Pro not being available.
I still can't mine ltc on my mac.
EDIT: Both Asteroid and MacMiner don't work for me.
(cgminer and cpuminer are also in MacPorts)