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Oh my, that "Delphi mentality" in 2013..) ExtJS, if I remember correctly, is 5 or 6 years old already?) But we, no doubt, will read about ground-breaking innovations from their PR machine.)

Is there any info which "startup" they have acquired or in what third-world country it was outsourced?)

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There was nothing in your comment that made sense to me at all.

>> Oh my, that "Delphi mentality" in 2013..)

What's "Delphi mentality"?

>> ExtJS, if I remember correctly, is 5 or 6 years old already?

Why do you bring up ExtJS?

>> Is there any info which "startup" they have acquired or in what third-world country it was outsourced?

UI5 was developed in-house by SAP - not sure where it happened, but I think that particular bit of your comment reeks of arrogance and chauvinism

> Why do you bring up ExtJS?

Because it is an JS UI library of the very same kind which were around for years, isn't it?

Not sure about arrogance, but yes, I do hate SAP because I have seen it in production.)

Well, you could be forgiven for disliking SAP based on your experiences with their old UI - but UI5 is luckily their attempt to remedy the situation.

Usually I wouldn't agree with this kind of comments, but this is the exception. We shouldn't forget that there is a multi-million dollar company behind this and it's clearly not just open-sourced for beneficiary reasons. Whatever the intent is, the result "look" meager. Maybe a focus on the novelty of their framework instead of the richness in UI-Controls could remedy that effect. It's either that, or hate, or both that people try to accumulate here.

Multi-billion company which got caught in all deceptive and misleading marketing techniques imaginable, and which maintain Herbalife-like Ponzi scheme for incompetent c"partners" and inflated "certified specialists". The inferior quality of its ERP software is least problem.)

I hope I don't ask for too much, but would you be so kind and please give all us the chance to understand what you mean? I have not the references that back this up, could you add these?

(I am not biased. But I know two people working at SAP (at ^high positions), who I "think" are nice people.)

There is absolutely no reason for sarcasm.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5158953

What does "Delphi mentality" mean?

I'm genuinely curious, not having been exposed to that ecosystem at all.

Well, Delphi was very interesting phenomena. I fought (and lost) a great fight trying to convince coworkers that it is a dead end and that no one will support future development or adapt it to modern versions of Windows, because no one would pay to this huge effort which must be done right on time. In other words, it was a naive blind faith in so-called desktop apps (built on top of a wired third-party toolkit), while it was obvious that a browser is the proper way of visualizing an information. This is the Delphi mentality. Now they have a dead codebase and whole project is in ruins. The irony was that it was some in-house a-la ERP system.)

> while it was obvious that a browser is the proper way of visualizing an information.

It really wasn't obvious in the early 2000's that the browser was the "proper" (I'll use the same word that you use, though I disagree with it) to display information, run software etc. I liked Delphi but while the adaptation to modern versions of Windows and future development was always going to be an issue, the main problem was company maangment, sales and mishandling of what was a good product in its time (up to Delphi 7).

The browser is for hypertext documents. It's not at all obvious that it's the right thing for, well, anything else. Why do you suppose apps are preferred on tablets and phones, rather than websites?

Would it be fair to assume that you keep JavaScript disabled in your browser?

it was a naive blind faith in so-called desktop apps (built on top of a wired third-party toolkit), while it was obvious that a browser is the proper way of visualizing an information

Use the right tool for the job. Desktop apps may indeed be preferable to browser based apps in some cases. Actually, I would argue that it isn't obvious that browsers are better for anything other than what they were built for - rendering and browsing hypermedia content.

Now, whether or not Delphi per-se is a Good Idea as a means of building desktop apps is a different issue, and I'll grant you that I'm not necessarily a big Delphi fan. But that's not because I find desktop apps to be inherently bad.

what delphi have to do with extjs? what i knew, when old days the code come from yui ,extjs something around 2006 started

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