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plenty of the guys i'm around do, and plenty don't.

i would posit that you're not getting as whole a picture (definitely of men, possibly of women) as you could if nobody you know does.

My point was not that no guys do, of course I know some do. The OP used 'guys' to seemingly include all men. My point was that, no, not all men do, so you don't get to play the "everyone does it so it's okay" rationalization card.

that gave me a chuckle. good luck with passing judgment on what you think is "okay" and "not okay" to say on people in real life.

My point was that, no, not all men do, so you don't get to play the "everyone does it so it's okay" rationalization card.

Well, we aren't stupid either, and I'm sure most of us didn't take it that way, so if you want to address the contextual nature of his comment then maybe do that instead of scandalizing yourself in pity for the silent nongeneralizers.

You must be young.

Sure.