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Since March, IE Lost 11.4 Percent Share To Firefox, Safari, And Chrome

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It looks like a lot of IE 7 went to IE 8 not the "new browsers" maybe IE6 users are switching over though.

I still know plenty of people who won't switch because they like the way ie6 looks and plenty more who don't know firefox is a browser on campus computers.

edit: Most of those people don't even know what a browser is and if you tell them to open up their browser they say "do you mean the internet?"

Since January IE7 went from 53.7% down to 30.79%. For a net drop of 22.91%.

In that same period IE8 went up from 1% to 15.23%. A net gain of 14.23%.

So the upgrade there cost Microsoft 8.68%. And then there is an extra 10% drop for IE6

It would be nice if they could pick colors that aren't almost identical for their graph lines.

Great to see IE7's significant drop, should make life easier on developers.

Does anybody know how these stats are gathered, or what they mean when they say 'market share'? Is it % of internet traffic requests by browser? or % of downloads/installs?

I'm wondering if browser market share is based on users primary browser, using stats from companies like compete, or if it is based on downloads or some other metric.

I have IE, Safari And Opera only for testing purposes, I do most development in Firefox due to firebug, and use Chrome as my main browser. So how would I be counted in this survey?

I think this is important because if it is based on % of traffic, non-OEM browsers (Firefox, Chrome) could appear to have more traffic than default installed browsers (IE/Safari) simply because the users of Firefox & Chrome spend more time on more sites.

Thoughts?

At Yahoo our "browser share" stats mean "unique visitors using this browser". A certain amount of effort goes into de-duplicating users to get the "unique" score, but there's a pretty big margin of error.

Page views are not taken into account, and downloads/installs are absolutely not considered (because nobody has reliable numbers on those anyway, not even the browser makers).

Looks like just since January the combined market share of IE versions has declined from 73% to 55%. That is a dramatic change. More significant, probably than a temporary spike in search share driven by ads.

In fact, IE's market share fell 17% (65.8-55.4)/65.8. Oh Techcrunch.

11% of the total, right?

Yes, but suppose it fell 11 percentage points from 90%. That would be a smaller real drop.

Looks like Microsoft is going to have to come up with a new angle of attack.

Hiding $10,000 on an IE-only website doesn't seem to have cut it.

I bet hiding $100,000 on an IE-only website would totally do the trick, though.

What about a website that only vomits on IE users?

Maybe they should hide some malware on a Firefox-only site?

Like that unwanted .NET plug-in for Windows users?

This will accelerate greatly if Microsoft doesnt get IE9 out the door with comparable javascript speeds. It took Firefox a while, but its finally performing as fast as Safari & Chrome. Lots of people use apps like gmail and google maps, and if they see one browser running them silky smooth, while the other is a jerky mess, they'll be compelled to switch.

The really, really good news is the fall of IE6. Currently 7.6%. 5% should be an important milestone in its decline into irrelevance. Hopefully when that is attained - and it looks like it could be soon - we can all kiss that nightmare of a browser goodbye for good.

I say kick it now. Only 9% of people use IE6, that # will continue to dwindle. The current rate of drop for IE6 is 2% a month. So it'll probably go down to 5% within 4-6 months.

No sense in supporting a browser that will become irrelevant in 6 months.

> No sense in supporting a browser that will become irrelevant in 6 months.

and not a browser like another, one that will require radical changes to your site code in order to barely work.

Depends on what you're doing. IE6 causes more JS problems than HTML/CSS.

Sure, with "site code" I mean HTML + CSS + Javascript

Doesn't IE6 have almost the exact same JS Engine as IE8?

i dont know how they calc the stats - IE is already dying or may be dead .... this is because there will be mix-up(layers) on the top of IE, for example it is possible that all PCs that came with IE6 pre-installed cant be taken in to the account as most of them might be using other browsers. If you calc the pure downloads then IE is dead.... users have multiple browsers but they rarely use IE - it is sad that MS killed netscape to make it sort of mandatory to have IE, but still they couldn't sustain the lead - when people bypass your product and specially go on the net to download your competitor's product that means you're nearly DEAD. and BTW who is the competitor? the same guy whose product you killed years a go!!!! GOOD REVENGE !!!! NICE JOB, Eric Schmidt !!!

YUI's graded browser support chart dropped support for IE6 under Windows 2000 this month:

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/

But IE6 under Windows XP continues to cling on, and it isn't in their forecast for the next quarter:

http://yuiblog.com/blog/2009/07/02/gbs-update-20090702/

Which means Yahoo, at least, expects IE6 to still be relevant in 6 months.

doesn't really apply to startups. Yahoo is huge and mainstream, they HAVE to support every browser, they can't present a crappy looking site to 5% of their users. That 5% means millions of users getting a crappy experience, and possibly going elsewhere.

On the other hand, startups can afford to show a "crappy looking" version of the site since its more or less expected. + the % of IE6 users is much smaller for startups, since startups typically have early adopter users.

Depends on who your client is. If you're running a tech-y website/blog and most of your users are running Safari or the next FF beta, you're generally OK not supporting IE6, and can probably even pull off a snarky message that pops up alerting your IE6 users that they're using a crappy browser. If your client is a financial services company that mandates its employees use Win NT, your cries of "but IE6 is dead!" will be drowned out by angry shouts of "our interwebs site is broke!"

Charts like this are helpful because they give us a sense for the current, global browser-usage climate and trends. However, global statistics alone should never be used to determine which browsers your site should support, as a cross-section of your niche of users may vary widely from this data.

I really wish Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and everyone else who controlled a decent portion of the net would all just agree to simultaneously put up snarky messages. What if the entire internet did break for IE6, all of the sudden? Given a long, fair warning--perhaps even a TV ad--it could be similar to the analog switchoff.

This is super unlikely to happen.

Google's snarky messages would invite people to download Chrome, while Apple's would try to convince people to download Safari. Combined with the fact that people still using IE6 of their own volition would be most likely to blame Microsoft for "breaking the Internet" and switch to a different browser, it would not be in Microsoft's best interests to coordinate something like this.

In addition, television advertising made sense for switching off analog television, since the people most likely to be affected would be watching. Even if even one of the three companies you mentioned put up money for television advertising, it would be a waste of resources. Targeted banner ads would be better.

> Google's snarky messages would invite people to download Chrome

Actually, I'm surprised Google hasn't tried anything like this yet. Given how many ie6'ers use Google everyday, I bet a nonintrusive, hide-able message on search results pages encouraging them to 'upgrade' to Chrome would go a long way towards increasing their marketshare.

This could probably be considered anti-competitive (using their search monopoly to push their other products). Even though the courts may rule their way, why should they bother?

> This could probably be considered anti-competitive

It could be, but I don't think it is. Every other browser supplier has the right to -- and does -- put up web pages suggesting people use their browser; they also have the right to put up other content on their websites, which may or may not drive traffic to them. I note that the Microsoft home page has an ad for IE8 on it, and this isn't anti-competitive either.

Jusdt because Google is successful, doesn't mean they're anti-competitive. Now if they fiddled with their web site so other people's browsers didn't work properly, or fiddled with their browser so other people's websites were poorly rendered, that would be uncompetitive.

A few days ago I loaded up IE6 on a company machine (to download Firefox, natch) and noticed that Google displays a message on the main page, in a box in the upper-right corner, encouraging me to download Chrome.

It doesn't seem to appear using any other browser.

So they're getting pretty close to doing that; perhaps less obtrusively than you suggest, but the intent is there.

They haven't tried snarky yet, but Google does invite users to upgrade from IE6, and they suggest IE7: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78160...

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