NSA surveillance: tech companies demand sweeping changes to US laws
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Now the megacorps are trying to defend our personal liberty and privacy from governments that have gotten too powerful (albeit mostly because it would improve sales)! That's... unexpected.
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country." - Edward Bernays
The quote continues... http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/203430-the-conscious-and-int...
Well, they make a show of it, they could not care less about our privacy actually. Most of them had collaborated just fine with the government before the revelations...
Matter of fact, if they could have all of our personal info for themselves as a competitive advantage they would be more than happy...
Sure they could. In fact, these companies are in a much better position than Lavabit to spit it back in big government's face...financially, legally, and politically.
But I agree that this is a positive development.
Here's an example of Yahoo's fight against PRISM. http://mashable.com/2013/06/14/yahoo-fought-prism-lost/
Microsoft provides early information about known weaknesses, even before fixes are available, to MANY large customers, one of whom is the US government. This is done so that those customers can mitigate the risks ASAP, before the zero-day hackers can leverage the weakness.
So while your statement is correct, it implies a relationship that doesn't actually exist.
In response to the Bloomberg story that first described this situation, Microsoft's spokesman made no attempt to deny the specific accusation that the U.S. government has special access to MS exploits.
Someone had to leak before this became feasible.
Don't be too quick about it. Once the megacorps win the war, it's interesting to see who will defend our personal liberty and privacy from them.
The power to dig up every detail about someone's life then publish it for the adverse judgement of millions of people is capable of great destructiveness if abused.
While that may be true, it's not really the same situation.
For one thing, it seems clear that the behaviour in question was illegal, and people are going to jail for it.
For another, guessing that someone won't have changed the default PIN to access their voicemail is not on the same technical level as, say, building backdoors into widely used hardware by being sneaky with state-of-the-art mathematics.
well, the Free Market obviously ... right?
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The state is in a very different (privileged) position to commercial companies and we need an additional layer of protection from the state that is not necessary with companies.
I'm definitely not disputing that. I also believe that the current state of affairs isn't OK.
What I am disputing is the notion that companies are somehow defending our privacy rights. No they're not. Microsoft, Google and Facebook not only do not battle for consumer rights, their entire damn businesses are based on eroding them as much as possible. If they could have legally collected the data NSA was collecting, they'd have done so without as much as batting an eye.
All they're doing in this context is trying to shift public outcry from their own dubious practices, for two reasons:
1. As people start sharing less and less personal data for fear of government surveillance, they're also sharing less and less personal data with the tech companies themselves. This means less personal data to sell and, consequently, less profits.
2. Average consumers typically don't notice how much of their data is in fact shared with the likes of Facebook and Twitter. The NSA scandal put this into a new perspective: they share enough data that even the government cares. The PR folks aren't stupid; they are predictably trying to shift public outcry towards the NSA, attempting to create the image that somehow these companies -- which otherwise deeply care for their users' privacy -- have done the best they could to protect the private data of their customers, and now need support to battle against this Bigger Enemy. Conveniently, the fact that they can still tap unlimited information for their own use is shielded away.
I'm not denying surveillance laws need to be changed, I'm simply denying the benevolent role of large corporations.
At least in theory I can choose not to be a customer of a "megacorp." I'm given no such choice by the government.
But yeah it's interesting. It seems to go back and forth over the decades. Evil corporations, good government, good corporations, evil government.. if a god exists I'm sure he has a big bowl of popcorn.
Moreover, wallet-damage is a sliding scale. A guy who wins an election with 75% probably gets the same end result as a guy who wins with 51%, but a business that loses 1/3 of its profits is in trouble. Thus a government can ignore a significant minority who disapprove as long as it doesn't tip the balance come election time every few years, but that same significant minority can cause real damage to a business and they can do it today.
And so they ensure that the cycle keeps going around, without any opportunity for real change.
I look forward to the day when we've got The Feed to keep us occupied, anyway.
IIRC, Stephenson presented it as a bit dystopic, but it sounded quite exciting to me.
It sounds exciting because you're not living it right now. And in the modern world, it is surprisingly easy to recreate that experience - just the cost of an airfare.
No, that's not correct. You'll recall that the girl's mom worked for the FBI; in once scene we see the mom going in for a security check.
The existence of an FBI clearly implies the existence of a federal government. It's just that their scope was significantly curtailed.
A smart sheep is still a sheep. That term doesn't imply stupidity, or lack of intelligence, only ease of manipulating.
In my experience, people are quite broadly happy with the status quo. The complain incessantly about it, but very few would change it in a really fundamental way. It's hard to look at the American government and see it as anything other than an expression of the composite of American voters: financially irresponsible baby boomers who carry with them some of the liberal leanings of being teenagers in the 1960's along with the paranoia of being young adults in the Cold War.
This drives people who actually oppose the status quo in a fundamental way absolutely crazy.
What is the first purpose of a megacorp (or any corp)? To increase shareholders' equity. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not fool ourselves thinking their primary purpose suddenly become something else than increasing shareholders' equity.
Perhaps greed got in the way too. Had the intelligence community contractors outsourced some of their work to the 'normal' internet companies and not seen them as 'enemy' then it would have been harder for them to complain about what has been going on. They could have co-opted Microsoft to build their tools, got Google to build their data centres, helped out Yahoo and bought a few more Apple boxes, making Silicon Valley dependent on them for a large chunk of their revenue stream. They would then have towed the line that bit better, portraying themselves as good patriots for helping the government win The War Against Terror. As it is we now have two types of tech mega-corp, those wanting the surveillance state and those that don't want it. Had greed not gotten the better of the likes of Lockheed Martin this could have been avoided. This is a sad day for big brother.
"Xbox One Kinect reading emotions and heart rate" http://www.shacknews.com/article/79301/xbox-one-kinect-readi...
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Feinstein, who represents California, has been accused by critics of being a cheerleader for Washington's intelligence committee but now faces opposition from her state's largest industry.
This is a start. Representavtives need to represent...+1 for stepping up and being heard.
Well, if that's not sexist..
(a BBC headline dominants the first several dozen results)
You'll see that it's very commonly used in reference to males. In fact, it appears that most of the references are to males.
Also, you may not be aware, but most university cheerleader squads in the U.S. are co-ed.
How does that work? I'm in her district, afaik software engineers vote against her.
Of course they are. Referred to as 'metaphysical personhood'.
Only when confidence in their business declines because people found out exactly how complicit they'd been, they decide to do something about it.
We know where the priorities really are. In this case it's a publicity thing. They've been caught with their pants down.
If there's no source code or it's"cloud" based then I refuse to do business now.
I can't think of any. The system seems carefully rigged to neuter the checks and balances originally built into it.
What are some examples of effective legal actions against an omniscient surveillance state that, historically speaking, threatens politicians even more than it does the average citizen? Maybe I should do some more reading to understand how Hoover's FBI was finally reined in.
All the articles were clearly planned; The Guardian has already run two stories, each published exactly at midnight. That said, the www.reformgovernmentsurveillance.com site seems almost haphazardly thrown together; graph tags are butchered making sharing awkward with a terribly misleading preview, Apple's logo is left out of the first batch of supporters, the logos at the bottom are awkwardly aligned, etc.
I'm not exactly sure how to decipher all this; could the hasty implementation be good news? A sign that it's not taken seriously?
>> ...to call for reforms to restore the public's trust in the internet...
In Internet we trust. Abusing it is the issue to deal with.
>> ... have united to demand sweeping changes to US surveillance laws..
Of course but don't forget to add the statement about "enforcing" the [new and existing] laws.
Otherwise it'll become like a gun control game for politicians - "lets add new laws to solve the problem".
Shutting down the giant NSA center in Utah might do the job.