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YouTube hilariously impotent against ASCII comment pornographers

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Solid evidence that real-name policies do not necessarily improve behavior. The world has many jerks, and they're already jerks in real life with their name and face attached. Why should the internet be any different?

Google+ really slacked off on the Real Name's policy after the public outrage. I think that if they had managed to enforce it , comments would be better, but it won't stop everyone or make any guarantee of quality, and a lot of the work to push higher quality comments could be done without enforcing/requesting real names anyways.

Some popular blogs and news sites use facebook as a commenting system. I think it's worse that I can figure out exactly how a real life person feels. Giving someone anonymity makes them feel less significant in my perception of their opinion. By attaching an actual name to the comment, I get a way worse feeling of the education of the general population.

They're tried for like, a few days now, which proves it can't work!!!

YouTube promotes the comment:

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Which seems like a pretty big fail.

They said that were promoting this because it was controversial. One, of course that policy is going to result in controversial comments, that's the point. Two, that means a significant fraction of YouTube's user base liked that comment.

You can tweak the comment system all you want but you can't fix the users themselves. The best that can be done is personalized filtering. Some kind of system that automatically knows you don't like comments like that and tries to give you better comments instead. I believe they tried something like that but it doesn't seem to work very well (and it might be too computationally expensive to begin with.)

you really had to post that here?

EDIT: I see the downvotes, but I still believe there are better ways to get the point across without having to create that block of text on HN.

You need to see the word, 85 times, to see just how fucking hard YouTube / Google fail at comments.

When you have a single racial slur repeated 85 times even an idiot should know it's not conducive to decent conversation. You don't even need to see the user avatar of a Nazi propaganda cartoon of a Jew to know it's a troll comment.

"When you have a single racial slur repeated 85 times even an idiot should know it's not conducive to decent conversation."

cough...

So, to be clear, you want Google to decide what decent conversation is?

Or maybe should the person who posted the video have some control over the discussion, and it should be up to them?

Do you want them to remove martinlutherking.org (a horrific troll website) from the results for "MLK" as well?

Google say they want to decide what decent conversation is.

That's why they started banning people from Google services. Those people were using their real names (but Google didn't believe them) or were using long established names (but that wasn't good enough for Google).

Google is making many changes in order to "improve comment quality" on YouTube.

And yet they still fail, really hard.

> Or maybe should the person who posted the video have some control over the discussion, and it should be up to them?

I guess that's easier to say when you're not getting dozens of hateful messages trolling your channel every day. But, really, if that's what Google wants (channel owners to control the channels) that's fine. Just stop banning people for using something that Google doesn't think is a real name, stop tying G+ into everything, give channel owners better tools.

> Do you want them to remove martinlutherking.org (a horrific troll website) from the results for "MLK" as well?

This discussion is only about YouTube comments. Why are you dragging in other irrelevant hypotheticals? Me asking you "So, you don't care if someone spraypaints 'pakis out' on someone's shop?" would be just as daft.

He's just encouraging discussion.

Well, and Facebook Comments all over for a while now. Those are frequently as bad as Youtube comments, and (at least in my experience) Facebook is more real-name aggro than G+.

I suppose the only way to combat this is to combat ASCII art in general?

This would make a very interesting paper on machine learning.

Slashdot did this ages ago. Google should look at their moderation system too.

I really don't understand why practically no other sites have adopted the slashdot moderation system. It isn't perfect, but it is by far the best moderation system that does not require large time commitments from the site owners.

You mean filter stuff like this? (. 人 .)

# 12 One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation.[1]

[1] http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

Funny how one of the world's largest companies can be both so powerful and yet so stupid and impotent against a sea of penises.

The Internet is full of dicks.

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