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I use Groovy quite a bit and like it a lot. I wish there was an easy way to use it with Android, I'd really like the groovy JSON or XML parsing libraries even if it meant I had to run my program on a device with Android 4.3 and at least a gig of ram.

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I would use Kotlin for Android over Groovy, because it is

- Much more lightweight and faster than Groovy

- Statically typed

- Offers about the same level of expressivity as Groovy (closures, etc...)

- Much, much faster than Groovy

The only downside is that it's still in beta, but already working great and, obviously, with awesome IDEA support.

It seems like most people are excited for kotlin, but no one is really talking about ceylon which recently 1.0. Im curious why that is, have you looked at ceylon?

> most people are excited for kotlin, but no one is really talking about ceylon

Perhaps that should be "most Groovy people are excited for Kotlin". The reason "Groovers" look at Kotlin before Ceylon could be because Groovy creator James Strachan and Groovy++ creator Alex Tkachman jumped over to Kotlin.

I have, it's definitely an interesting language, more ambitious than Kotlin and more bold too (lot of new keywords, disjointed types, etc...).

I prefer the most conservative, slightly incremental Kotlin myself, but it's purely personal and certainly not a knock on Ceylon, which was implemented by people I have a lot of respect for.

I have experienced exactly the opposite of this. Nobody seems interested in using Kotlin, while I think it is pretty neat.

Kotlin is not an option for me. Android studio is completely inaccessible with my screen reading software as far as I can tell and there isn't an Eclipse plugin yet. Scala looks like my best bet and it's a reason to learn the language

Try Xtend: http://www.eclipse.org/xtend/ (Also see: http://blog.efftinge.de/2013/10/xtend-android-sneak-preview....)

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