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Abandon Gmail for Outlook? Surely the author jests.

His arguments are amazingly unconvincing, and he attempts to sweep by far the most important point for most people—whether or not Gmail is a good mail client or not—away with random hand-waving: "Meanwhile, its interface is as stale and frustrating as ever". Er, no, David, it's not (and never was).

Where does ZDNET find these bozos?

As far as I can tell, this is ZDNET hastily attempting to get some clicks by pandering to the youtube rage-quitting brigade.

Business as usual for them I suppose, but why do people post this crap to HN?

I've been downmodded heavily elsewhere onsite for suggesting that HNers love to hate google because of hipster mentality, so that clearly can't be it...

I'd say I'm a hipster, but I still like Google. I think you would have been down-voted for shitcanning hipsters (the implication is that rage-quitting Google's services it's fashionable and they're sheep) rather than you being correct that it's due to hipster mentality. In a way, shitcanning hipsters is fashionable, so we're all treading the same ground. Let's all have a beer together and chill out, just mind the beards.

Disclaimer: I don't have a beard

>I've been downmodded heavily elsewhere onsite for suggesting that HNers love to hate google because of hipster mentality

Because it's a stupid reason. You would get the same response if you suggested that the reason was that HNers love to hate google because they hate logos with color in them.

I think that if you examine the meta on HN dispassionately you'll see it's actually a very good reason.

It often gets couched in different language, but a great deal of HNers have a large dislike of HN because of either groupthink or mainstream-aversion.

> I've been downmodded [...] for suggesting [...] because of hipster mentality

That's probably your problem right there. You're attempting to apply a negative label ('hipster') to a group of people with whom you disagree.

If your only counter-point to someone is to 'suggest' that they only hold a particular view because it's trendy, then you're going to run into issues.

Whats wrong with not liking Google? I don't like them. Then again I don't like most corporations. Unfortunately Google also being an advertising company gets double my hate.

> "Meanwhile, its interface is as stale and frustrating as ever"

The UX redesign from a couple months back was definitely one of the triggers pushing me to look for alternate services.

No. Outlook.com, which is hotmail rebranded. It's pretty good.

See, "hotmail rebranded" doesn't sound like a selling point to me.

Years ago, I joined gmail specifically to get away from the awful hotmail UI.

It's been awhile and vast improvements have been made. Outlook.com is legitimate these days.

"Years ago"!!

I think using the "live" domain is a better branding strategy for MS. That said - I recently opened an account there & it's pretty slick.

That's what I said. Show me an alternative to gmail and I'll think about it but Outlook is one possibility I won't consider.

Outlook, that was worth a good chuckle.

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