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First of all, this was already announced months ago, so it already happened.

Secondly, Google is a big company and some teams within it wanted to use Dart, whereas otheres want to use vanila javascript and Angular, so now you have both.

Thirdly, Angular is in the process of being broken apart to modular components for 2.0, it also now cross-pollinates with another Google-y called Web Components.

In future, the equivelent of directives (Your own <x-thingy> tags) will be a native web standard, Mozilla is also working on it.

This all amounts to a sort of polyfill to the future and most of the core of Angular will be thrown away if things work out. You won't need it.

These are all good things. I don't understand your need for FUD.

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> Secondly, Google is a big company and some teams within it wanted to use Dart, whereas otheres want to use vanila javascript and Angular, so now you have both.

Specifically who?

A number of the members of the Chrome team. If you watch the announcement from when Blink hit, they did some developer talks. When asked about the integration of Dart into Chrome, it was fairly obvious that some of the guys didn't want Dart in there [0]. But at the same time, a high-level direction is being set to try and get Dart added.

Google employs a LOT of developers. A lot of those developers feel the same way members of HN does, that we don't need a language to replace javascript. Google is using their weight in the web world to try and get a new/alternative language added.

As long as Dart isn't completely shoved down our throats, I'm willing to give it a try. I think there is enough opposition within Google to make sure that Dart will at least have to live in peaceful co-existence with Javascript.

Google is pretty realistic that it'll be many more years before they can even have a chance of getting other browsers to add the DartVM. Heck, Chrome doesn't have it yet (outside of the Dartium build which has some fun memory leaks).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlJob8K_OwE&t=17m26s

> it was fairly obvious that some of the guys didn't want Dart in there

I don't think it was obvious. It may be true but they were uncontroversial comments on a controversial topic. The language and DartVM aren't ready for Chrome, right now. You'd hear the same from the Dart team.

> we don't need a language to replace javascript

Absolutely... in the same way we didn't need Python, Ruby, C++, Java, Clojure, Haskell, etc. In fact, I'd say we needed those less considering the enormous choice on non-web platforms.

Google can have Dart if Microsoft can have VBScript back.

j/k. I doubt even Microsoft would want to bring that abomination back.

Or would they??

It's not gone. You can still run VBScript in IE10 in lieu of Javascript.

Except Google has its own plateform ( ChromeOS ) that has its own eco system. Native Client doesnt work outside Chrome yet it exists. Google will push Dart VM is Chrome sooner or later.

The article mentions one team who wanted to use it.

You're able to regurgitate bullet points off a slide deck. Good job.

Edit: [source & details redacted]

This 'FUD' comes directly from the Angular core team.

You just outed your source.

Edit: still too many details.

Better now? ;-)

Yup. I improved mine as well.

That his points come from a specific source doesn't actually make him incorrect.

You are able to spread hate and FUD as well. Good job.

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