IFit: "No applicants from Brazil, please."
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I want to get my H1B soon in order to work in a better environment(and a more liberal economy) and I'm sure this kind of comment won't make anyone's mind as everyone I've worked with in open source with treated me with equal respect.
A company who wants to hire foreign citizens now need to first put out an ad for 1 month for the position in a Canadian job board seeking Canadian citizens. Once they are done with it, they have to apply for a Labor Market Opinion which takes 10-12 weeks. After receiving a positive LMO, they can apply for the work permit which takes 1-2 months more.
Canadians pay around 40% of taxes(not a liberal country, right?).
I'm still in a way better position here in Brazil(in income). I think what is going to change is the lifestyle... but I'm not looking for some lifestyle, I'm young and want to work hard and conquer a lot.
Those are things the US don't give to you, so it is an illusion thinking that in the US you make more money. Taxes there are quite high depending on the state you are going to live. A friend of mine moved from Rio to Massachusetts and told me there are a lot of taxes and he pays around 25% in taxes plus health care, private pension plan an so on. In the end 50% of his salary is for these things.
I moved to the UK this year and I make about the same as I did in Rio. I can say that I have a much better life now than before. Money here means a lot more than in Brazil.
If you want, we can take this conversation privately.
Unlimited soda? You sure love fitness.
Of course... Utah, so no coffee, tea, or beer.
Beer I understand, but coffee, tea? Why would those be excluded?
But only Sprite! boo
TD;DR: Risk of lawsuits, consult a professional.
> The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) makes it illegal for an employer to discriminate with respect to hiring, firing, or recruitment or referral for a fee, based upon an individual's citizenship or immigration status. The law prohibits employers from hiring only U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents unless required to do so by law, regulation or government contract.
Also, Why didn't they say "Brazilian citizens"? Why did they use the ambiguous "applicants from Brazil"?
They should probably clarify the posting.
- If the Brazilian is working remotely, sending money to Brazil is costly and a huge hassle for the employer.
- The company had a previous bad experience with a Brazilian employee
Other not so serious reasons
- Some Brazilians are loud, touchy-feely and unaware of the personal-space concept, therefore they are annoying for most non-Brazilians.
- Most of this company's HR is from Argentina
I assume you're Brazilian and you hate the fact that you are. You should think twice before posting bullshit like this on the internet.
Yes, I'm Brazilian but I do not hate the fact I'm one. I just don't have pointless and blinding patriotic feelings. Go see the world, expand your horizons, then let me know if you still think that Brazil is really as "maravilhoso" as you like to think.
Regarding the stereotypes, I had made it clear that those points where "not so serious", but since you seem to have taken them serious: Yes, some Brazilians are too touchy-feely and that's not a stereotype, that's a fact. Some people appreciate that type of personality, others don't.
And finally, here's the actual response from iFit => https://twitter.com/iFit/status/394852154680172544
But it's far from the worse place you could have been born into. So have just a little gratitude. You could be living in Kenya or Haiti right now.
Disseminating false stereotypes will not help you, neither your country friends. So if you don't have anything useful to say, just stay quiet. It's not worth the karma.
I don't care if you have 10+ years experience with international payments, your word is not enough. Show me some source.
As even yourself pointed, it's not about money transfer/payment, is about draconian labour law. So don't make a fool of yourself.
IFit probably has a point, as brazilian labor laws sure are draconian. As someone who has worked with overseas companies, I know something about it:
A person cannot (legally) receive money from foreign companies. The way to get around this is to open a company (even if it consists of a single person). Also, a contract between the two companies is required - though in my experience, even a NDA will suffice.
It might be the case that IFit cannot legally say, in the US, that they are hiring someone from Brazil, as they would be actually dealing with a proxy company, even if it is the sole purpose of the company's existence.
I don't think there are any extra costs to the employer (maybe taxes?) and SWIFT transfers work fine.
1. We do not want you to apply if you are Brazilian citizen. Remote or on-site . <Invites Lawsuits for discrimination>
2. "(no applicants from Brazil please). We need brilliant people ".
Brazilians are not brilliant. <I know I am going a little too far on this one but still>
3. (no applicants from Brazil please). Qualifications: Are you smart ?
Brazilians are not smart. we don't want you
May be someone should let SO know and ask them to fix this posting.
EDIT: And SO has already edited it out. But the real question still remains. What was the motive behind such requirement ? Simply deleting the text means that SO probably enforced it on the employer. What would be interesting is to see if any brazilians apply to this job now.
My guess is that it's expensive to send a MBP + second monitor to Brazil or the price to refund someone is just too expensive.
I you are a Brazilian who wants to work overseas, try Europe. US immigration laws are very complicated and expensive. Some European countries, like Czech Republic are more permissive.
If you're from Brazil and have work authorization to work in the US, any employment lawyer would be very excited to hear from you. The company responsible is quite likely liable for substantial fines, not to mention the principle of the matter.
That would explain why they are specifically concerned about Brazil and not, say, Peru or Singapore or anyplace else. It might be that they have assets in Brazil that they are concerned about getting caught up in a tax or labor dispute.
the only logical explanation here is that they're a bit dumb, had a bad experience with a brazillian (or group of) and decided to ban the whole country.
this says more about ifit than it does about brazillians.
iFit said: "due to Brazilian labor laws, our corporation will not allow us to hire from Brazil."
This is bullshit, these guys say this so no one could fine about discrimination.
They are very pro-employee.
It's very difficult to sack somebody etc.
Perhaps someone from Brazil could enlighten us further?
Also there's a small fine to pay, relative to the time the employee worked in your company. It's not really expensive. For every year the guy worked there, you pay him for almost 2 weeks of work (our law says 40% of a month's salary, I'm just rounding it to "almost two weeks of work"). It's like the compensation that some US companies give when firing someone, but in here there's a law enforcing it (in a low value).
But the main thing is: working for a company outside Brazil he loses almost all of the protection of the law. Not because it's illegal, it's just that our standard employment laws are for Brazilian companies. When working for companies outside Brazil we usually start our own company and just sign a service contract.
See how that wouldn't necessarily align well with the Brazilian way of doing things?
The US is the outlier in allowing people to be fired for no reason.
In order for a US company to hire a Brazilian employee, it has to be through an established company that has a certain legal status inside of Brazil. If you do not have that status, you have to contract through a local company that has that status. Doing so is extremely expensive, and creates a complex set of legal obligations to the employer.
It is almost never worth doing for just 1 or 2 employees, and so US companies that want to establish a presence in South America often do so entirely inside of or entirely outside of Brazil.
The Brazilian employee, through his company, would invoice the US company which would then transfer the money, via wire transfer preferably, so the Brazilian employee can pay his taxes.
I know this because I work for 5 years for an US company as a remote sysadmin.
To be fit you have to: exercise regularly, eat well. Easy to say, but it's a mind shift (try doing 1hr of exercise 3 times a week, see how "easy" is to keep up). Something innovative in this field should push people to change their lifestyle, not to buy yet another fitness product.
* Maybe you could apply random checks on people and not reach out to them every time? That way they are scared 24/7.