Comment by akmiller | Hacker News Reader

Comment by akmiller | Hacker News Reader

"We know Microsoft’s tablets suck"

This irritates the hell out of me. Who is this "we"? Fine if Marco wants to suggest that they suck, but I'll take a shot in the dark and say he hasn't even tried to give one a fair shake...would love to hear from him if he actually has.

I have never found a use for a tablet, but I have several around my house including iPad Mini, iPad 3, Nexus 7 (1st gen), and now a Surface. The Surface is the best of those devices and the only one I can see myself continuing to use going forward.

I would challenge anyone to just open their minds if they haven't tried one and jump in completely for a week or so then make up your mind. Definitely not saying the device is perfect, there are some things (both hardware and software) I'd like to see added but it's a damn nice device!

The Surface Pro got a rave review from Penny-Arcade: http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/09/23/the-surface-2 (seen on HN). I'm an Apple guy now, but if I were to do college again I'd probably opt for a Surface Pro 2 (with the Wacom stylus). The mechanical engineering course notes I've seen generated with OneNote look fantastic, plus the ability to search through them via handwriting recognition would be a great advantage over a stack of notebooks.

A more precise wording would have been "We know Apple thinks Microsoft's tablets suck." He's not hitting Microsoft in that sentence, he's hitting Apple for being predictable and boring.

You will love this article...

http://www.marco.org/2012/10/26/an-alternate-universe

Wow. That was more than enough to prove to me that this guy is an idiot.

I don't know why this is on HN.

I'm missing the part that proves that the guy is an idiot. Help?

> I don't know why this is on HN.

Because despite the fact that he is a wild-eyed Apple fan with hugely distorted opinions and is horrifically wrong much of the time, he has connections and insights into the Apple ecosystem that nobody else does. Just hold your nose and scan for the actual information in between lines of rubbish.

Because you are not the only person on HN.

With a massive markdown on inventory last Q I think it's fair to say that even most MSFT executives would tell you that they screwed up most everything around their go to market on tablets (to date) Doesn't mean they won't correct it. I think Marco's point was that it's kind of lame of Apple to beat such a currently dead horse.

this makes no sense, you say "I have never found a use for a tablet" yet go on to say "The Surface is the best of those devices and the only one I can see myself continuing to use going forward."

which is it? you use a tablet or not?

to anyone that's actually used a surface and ipad it's really really easy to see why Marco said that Microsoft's tablets suck. They do, Surface is a joke compared to the iPad.

I thought I was clear, but re-reading it I agree I wasn't.

What I meant was that I found little use for a tablet until I got the Surface. It still doesn't play a major role in my day to day activities but I'm using it daily and Windows 8.1 on the Surface is a wonderful experience.

If any other company was behind it I honestly think it would be more successful, but because it's Microsoft there is this natural hate. Just reading your comment, "Surface is a joke compared to the iPad" seems to indicate a lot of disdain for a product that I doubt you've even held in your hand. Am I wrong?

we = Apple fans

As well as the market, which has spoken. Nobody wants Microsoft tablets.

I do. Why, I'm on one right now, if you can believe such a thing!

I second.

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