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When we give up all privacy, suddenly it no longer exists.

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Right, and... what would the harm be there? Is that just a fundamental value for you?

> Right, and... what would the harm be there?

That's a little too obvious to state so I won't pretend there's people here that haven't figured that out yet for the sake of overly-pedantic or naive arguing. You're moving into "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" territory.

> Is that just a fundamental value for you?

Yep. It's in my country's constitution and protected under various laws.

You probably mean bill of rights. The US Constitution has no wording expressing any concerns over an American's privacy.

I'm referring to the 4th amendment in the Bill of Rights, in the US Constitution that was interpreted by Katz v. United States to protect individuals with a "reasonable expectation of privacy."

The Bill of Rights are the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution.

The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution.

> Right, and... what would the harm be there? Is that just a fundamental value for you?

For those that haven't read it, I still recommend this as a good introduction to some fundamental ideas around why privacy should/could be considered a basic right:

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/priva...

This is true. And... if you're on the Internet, I'm sorry, but you can have no reasonable expectation of privacy. That includes owning a smartphone.

Agreed. Smartphones are nice little tracking devices, now helpfully with GPS!

Using GPS to track someone is for lazy people. If they have a signal, you don't need GPS to have an idea of where they are.

An app on a phone doesn't necessarily qualify as being "on the Internet". That's like saying if you use Calculator on your PC then you shouldn't expect privacy on the Internet.

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