Bitcoin breaks $200
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* SilkRoad shutting down? Bitcoin is doomed.
* Mt.gox is not paying in time or at all? Bitcoin doesn't work.
* Asics? There will be a flood of new coins.
And yet Bitcoin value continue to raise. If history repeats itself, we should see 1 Bitcoin levels at around $2,000.
I think Bitcoin is an interesting phenomena to watch. Being too solid for the quakes that it got, means it's going to stay for a longer period.
I'll be just watching, meanwhile.
It's 2007 I have a house I bought for $300,000 which is now worth $600,000, would you like to buy my house and in two years you will make another $600,000? If there's one thing about real estate in the last 10 years it's that it's proven all those naysayers like Shiller wrong.
If monetary policy wasn't blowing the roof out on equity valuations, we'd be seeing mean-reversion as we should.
CAPE Formula:
- Adjust each of the yearly earnings of the last 10 years for inflation.
- Average the result of the step 1.
- Divide the current price by the result of step 2.
When I say yearly earnings I really mean trailing twelve months. Use TIPS etc to adjust for inflation.
CAPE is mostly horseshit but basically it's designed to give a sense of over/undervaluation of risky assets
It's about as awful as any other valuation metric though.
The more people that buy them, the more the price will go up, the more that they'll be worth, the more that people will buy them....
https://blockchain.info/charts/total-bitcoins
I'm certainly hoarding a couple, but there are plenty of people selling on the exchanges. There is no liquidity shortage that I can see.
2 million coins have changed hands in the last 30 days: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=30d And that is just on these exchanges, not even counting other places of exchanges (coinbase which is probably the 2nd largest coins seller in the US), or purchases (Bitpay signed up 10 thousand vendors!), etc.
If this rate is kept, the entire existent volume of bitcoins, a bit less than 12 million, would change hands in the next 6 months.
It doesn't matter if it is 1 coin changing hands 12 million times, or 12 million coins changing hands one time each. Volume is volume. And it proves that not that many coins are being hoarded.
Correct
> And it proves that not that many coins are being hoarded.
False. There's nothing in what you said to give any logical or empirical evidence that coins aren't being hoarded.
You'd be better off making the argument that it doesn't matter that they're being hoarded because the market is still liquid.
I should have said simply that because the market is very liquid, it does not seem to suffer from hoarding and/or hoarding does not matter.
That's the only statistic that matters: how much USD-equivalent is being injected into/out of system. That tells you whether they're being hoarded.
I showed it. When 2 million coins are changing hands per month, it means 2 millions coins are sold/"cashed out" (and 2 millions bought).
"That's the only statistic that matters: how much USD-equivalent is being injected into/out of system. That tells you whether they're being hoarded."
No. If the rate of transactions per user remains constant, and if the user base grows, you would see exactly that: more USD being injected in the system, than being taken out of it. This would not mean there is hoarding, but simply that the economy is growing (which is exactly what is happening). Again when you see a single Bitcoin payment processor like Bitpay reaching the "10 thousand vendors signed up" milestone, it is hard to reject the claim that the Bitcoin economy is growing...
the rate of production is fixed, so no one would have predicted that.
asic would increase the difficulty level significantly though.
It won't last, eventually the increase in computing power will taper off, but that's the state of things at the moment.
IIRC, the arguments actually went that GPU miners had their equipment already paid for, and so could afford to hoard their mined coins, but that ASIC miners, who were paying thousands of dollars for their equipment, would be forced to sell their coins immediately to pay for their equipment & electricity.
Whoever made that argument has a fundamental misunderstanding of the pre-defined rate of Bitcoin production.
edit: some commentary from someone in china familiar with the baidu subsidiary announcement: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=315380.0
It's a pretty cutthroat and competitive industry from what I gather as well so Bitcoin could be interpreted as a creative way to be even more competitive.
If this does happen, hopefully the incentive to accept Bitcoin for orders would trickle down the supply chain as well.
The volatility is probably a problem though, if you're operating on narrow margins volatility might be an unacceptable risk unless you're able to come up with a process to sell them fast.
So if clients would like to pay in btc, I see them allowing it easily and accepting the risk. However I don't see the lambda Chinese girl paying her purple furr stocks in btc.
eg. You collateralize $10 million in Chinese assets, you get a $8 million dollar loan from a bank branch in another jurisdiction.
Capital controls have already essentially be thwarted by the market, the second item is that BTC actually provides a great public ledger for amounts that would be unfeasible for the usual controls like FINTRAC.
It shouldn't really be called bitcoin so much as bitledger. You also have to consider that factions within the party may think bitcoin will generate more capital inflows rather than capital outflows.
Only if the loan defaults does the bank run any risk of having capital trapped in China. Worst comes to worst they use the capital in China to originate more loans in China. Any bank offering this service has a presence in China so it's not a big deal anyway.
* The Bitcoin mining industry is based on Chinese manufacturers (AFAIK... I'm no expert on mining).
* Bitcoin is a honey badger. Might as well accept it sooner than later.
I got frustrated and just stopped looking to buy bitcoins. I was aware of irc channels too but I just don't trust them. And then there was money gram, what the actual fuck, the fees were so high. I could buy them, if I send my money to an account in a foreign bank in japan. Such bullshit. And this fluctuating price isn't very impressive either.
The site matches up private users (by geographic location by default) wishing to buy bitcoins with those wishing to sell. It offers "feedback" ratings for traders, and an escrow system where the site confirms your coins have been sent to it and placed in reserve, and these get released to you once the seller confirms receipt of your funds, either by texting a code from their phone or by using the website. There were no onerous fees, and my entire trade was completed within hours. Typical trading methods would include internet bank transfer (which is what I did), or even meeting in person with cash (riskier but more anonymous I guess).
>Also someone explain to me how that is anonymous when they have all my information if I had uploaded my driver's license and my bank account information.
Nobody claimed it was anonymous. And companies acting as "money transmitters" (or who the feds decide to consider as such) have a bunch of AML/KYC regulations they are required to follow, hence the whole ID thing. You can enhance the anonymity of your coins in various ways, typically by services which chop them up and shuffle them between many addresses to obfuscate their trail in the blockchain (so-called "mixers").
>And this fluctuating price isn't very impressive either
What concerns you about it? For many people I guess the short-term fluctuations aren't such an issue (e.g. those playing the long game with their bitcoin investment; or those only holding coins for a short time to make a specific purchase, particularly where the sales platform offers a hedging feature like Silk Road apparently did).
I expect things to be instant. Why can't I buy a few bitcoins with my credit card and have them in my account within the next few minutes? Why do I need to go through this lengthy verification process? Why are there countless complaints about people having difficulties converting bitcoins back into dollars? I understand a lot of this is outside of bitcoin's control, but with these kind of hoops to jump through, I can't see it ever catching on. I expected more, and the entire thing feels unpolished and amateur. When people recommend using craigslist or ebay, dealing with random strangers and paying a 25% premium just to get a simple coin, it's a failure.
These are the 28k dialup days
https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=%22short+bitco...
until it doesn't
Value is entirely subjective, all money is imaginary and built on a trust. For bitcoin, this means trust that the network is healthy, the protocol works, the transaction system is effective and has advantages to competing systems, and that others understand and share these thoughts. However, bitcoin also reduces the trust required in several areas (this is one of its advantages): chargebacks, control of your account (it is immensely difficult for third parties to seize bitcoins), and stability of the monetary policy (systemic incentives were designed to strongly resist manipulation of the algorithm, and seem to be working well so far).
Edit: This isn't to say bitcoin will go to the moon. It could very well fail for a number of reasons. However, it is also something that deserves careful consideration. It has shown surprising resilience. People are working hard at building augmenting systems. It is programmable money. The potential applications are hard to fully fathom.
39% mtgox
23% bitstamp
17% btcchina
And over the last 24h: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=24h 33% btcchina
25% bitstamp
23% mtgox
In other words, Bitcoin's popularity is massively increasing in China, as we speak, and this is what is causing a surge of the exchange rate. Other observers have noted this as well:http://bitcoinmagazine.com/7615/bitcoin-breaks-1000-cny-rall...
Having said that, a lot more coins are on BTC China today than yesterday, so this effect may decrease.
Speculation, but could some of the new money be coming from CryptoLocker[0]?
[0] http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/cryptolocker-r...
Looks like Mt. Gox no longer has such a huge share of the market. Bitstamp is almost even with them.
I'd love to see that carefully defined.
It's easy to set up triple redundant cold storage and promptly place multiple paper backups in different safety deposit boxes now when the price is rounding $200; but how many people went through this amount of effort when bitcoin was still considered a joke or nifty social/economic experiment and traded below $4 or even $.04
Even better; how many people stored them in an insecure manner and have since lost them to a scam/virus/offline attack.
But for the rest Bitcoin is like cash. You lose the key you lose the cash.
When the network will be hit hard by large amounts of bitcoins trapped behind lost private keys, I'm sure there will be some implementation changes to the Bitcoin software in order to free up the coins and make them go into circulation (to be mined).
For example if an address hasn't been touched for 20 years (death? lost key?).
Oh, but if it happens to a large enough account, a hit to the confidence of people in bitcoins.
So it's officially a bubble? sigh
Litecoin is good for getting in and out of Bitcoin w/o staying in cash, when you suspect sudden movements in Bitcoin.
Remember Ripple? Mindshare keeps falling on that one.
In other words, creating another blockchain is easy but convincing enough people that the variant coins are worth something is hard. Very hard.
Somehow, people managed to be convinced that Bitcoin was worth something back in 2009. What makes the current situation different? Whatever convinced people that Bitcoin had any value in the first place might convince people that some new alternative you started this morning has some value.
This gives bitcoins a value in terms of existing currency (dollars etc.).
They might accrue value in other ways (how?), but does this process not bootstrap the bitcoins into having some initial value?
No, because nowhere in that explanation is there any mention of demand for the mined bitcoins. If nobody were willing to accept a Bitcoin payment, the cost of Bitcoin mining would be irrelevant because the value of Bitcoin would be zero.
It is demand pull, not supply push - the miners are only willing to spend money on mining because they think they can get that money back by selling.
Buying mining hardware is speculating on the future price of bitcoin.
Bitcoin.
Both are true statements.
1. Bitcoin has good utility value as a currency. You can transfer it to anywhere on the planet, it's decentralized and has a monetary base cap. Tulips are de-cetnralized at best, but are otherwise quite a bad currency.
2. The tulip mania lasted only one season. It went up, peaked and then crashed. Bitcoin is closing it's fifth season and it had several major dips of which it came out stronger than it was before. Absolutely no similarity here.
3. This is getting old. Come up with something new please, will ya?
"Vast" is hyperbole, IMHO. It might in fact on net conserve energy, by, e.g., reducing the need to haul cash around in armored vehicles and the need for things like bank buildings. It takes a lot of energy to build and operate buildings.
By comparison maintaining security for paper money requires substantially less energy than attacking paper money, even if you include the energy devoted to fighting theft (the analog of the energy devoted to securing individual Bitcoin wallets). The energy spent on counterfeiting detection is far lower than the energy needed to counterfeit modern paper money, and Chaum showed the world how to create digital cash that is even more secure against counterfeiting, with security against double spending, and that allows for anonymous transactions, while still requiring far less energy to be spent on security than would be needed to attack the system.
So no, there is no hyperbole here. Bitcoin is a very inefficient system. It might work in practice, but that does not make it efficient, nor does it even make it an improvement over what we have now. The only think Bitcoin has going for it is that there is no obvious central authority (I say no obvious central authority because in practice, the Bitcoin developers have as much power over the currency as a central bank -- they can e.g. cause a block chain fork at any time, as they accidentally did a few months ago).
You keep dismissing the incentives that Bitcoin gives, which should also be considering part of its security. The only rational attacker that could have an interest and resources to stop Bitcoin is a nation-state. But even then, another nation-state could jump in and protect it. We can't know what will happen until it happens. The field that you want to use to model everything is too narrow for Bitcoin.
We do not speak of "incentives" in other contexts. When we talk about encryption, we do not spend our time pondering the "incentives" for not attacking our cryptosystems -- we create encryption systems that cannot be feasibly attacked regardless of what motivates the attacker. When we talk about secure multiparty computation, we do not talk about what might motivate the attacker, we only talk about how to prevent attacks.
There are historical counterexamples to the idea that we can analyze a cryptosystem's security in terms of the attacker's "incentives." A famous and well-known example is the German Enigma cipher from WWII. After the war, German cryptographers were captured and interrogated (the TICOM operation), and one of the things they revealed was that they knew that Enigma could be attacked, but did not believe that it would be worth the effort. Even the assumption that the attacker will act rationally is bad -- we should be secure against irrational attackers too.
"We can't know what will happen until it happens"
We can, however, design systems that maintain their security properties regardless of what happens (at least under standard cryptographic hardness assumptions, though sometimes we can even get information theoretic security). ElGamal encryption is secure against any polynomial-time chosen-plaintext attack -- provably so. The GMR signature system is secure against any polynomial-time adaptive chosen-message attack. For a very strange construction that illustrates how we can defend against attack strategies we cannot even imagine, consider this work on non-malleable commitments (the construction is on page 13; it is very strange, but the strangeness is key to the security proof, or in other words there are possible attack methods that nobody is aware of that the construction prevents):
http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/483.pdf
"The field that you want to use to model everything is too narrow for Bitcoin."
Yes, things are very easy when you have no clearly-specified goals, requirements, or constraints. How can there be any technical criticism of Bitcoin if this sort of response is considered valid? Anything anyone says is wrong with Bitcoin could always be dismissed as being "too narrow."
Right, of course it would be better to have something indestructible. But so far it's "good enough" (passes the reviews of its individual components, has resisted for years as a system, but wouldn't resist an irrational attacker). And I much rather have this than the previous system, which is insecure by design (ie: your funds can and are systematically stolen through inflation and other means). Maybe you live in a very good country, where you don't have to worry about such issues (or you live in a regular country but are just not conscious about it?). But most of the world (including myself) doesn't, so Bitcoin is welcome as is.
Perhaps so, but what I was originally replying to was a claim that Bitcoin was rock solid. There is an enormous difference between "good enough" and "rock solid."
"I much rather have this than the previous system, which is insecure by design (ie: your funds can and are systematically stolen through inflation and other means)."
Perhaps so, but as I have noted elsewhere, Bitcoin is not a fiat currency killer. Most businesses that claim to accept Bitcoin payments are actually accepting fiat currency payments. Most adults still need to pay their taxes. There are strong incentives to issue loans in the currency that the courts deal in i.e. fiat currency.
Basically, think of it this way: if Bitcoin exchanges were to disappear right now, what would happen to Bitcoin? What reason is there to think that Bitcoin will ever reach a point where it is not utterly dependent on the existence of exchanges? When even people who want to adopt Bitcoin are only doing so with the help of services that automatically exchange Bitcoin payments for fiat currency, why should we believe that we can ever live in a world where Bitcoin stands on its own two feet?
Finally, let's assume that there is an economic theory that supports a system like Bitcoin i.e. a currency that has no central authority and no intrinsic value. That theory should motivate a security definition. As a point of reference, consider Chartalism (a key part of modern monetary theory), which basically explains why fiat currency works (in a nutshell: the government issues the money and requires you to return some amount later on via taxes), and a key security definition used in the academic work on digital cash (in a nutshell: you have security if it is infeasible to deposit more money with the bank than was withdrawn [this can be stated more formally]). Note the very clear connection: the central authority issues the currency and decides its validity when it is "deposited."
So, to bring things full circle, I give you this challenge: present an economic theory to explain systems like Bitcoin, and use that theory to motivate a security definition that Bitcoin can be tested against (or better yet, proved to meet).
If Bitcoin doesn't replace all currencies (I don't expect it to do that anyway), it can be used as digital gold (in fact I think you can expect higher price increases from this use case, than from every day transactions). Currently I would love to be able to save in gold, but I can't for many reasons. My government banned it, so I can no longer buy it in a trusted bank (if such thing exists). I can't buy it from other individuals like me, because it's difficult to divide, so you can never get the amount you wanted. You can't import it from other countries because you can't hide it from customs. You can't buy it in the black market either, because they will sell you golden bars filled with tungsten. And all this is for buying. When you want to sell it you will have similar problems. Bitcoin fixes all this, and you don't really need exchanges for this. In fact I never used one (international wires are banned).
Let me think about the security definition. I don't promise you anything, but I'll give it a try when my mind is clear.
Consider the current system of government fiat and credit: the US dollar requires vast armies and navies, the vast and expanding Federal Reserve apparatus with its system of member/franchised banks, employees of the IRS, the US Treasury, the Secret Service (I'm redundant, I know). Millions of people are dedicated to propping up the "full faith and credit".
I'd be surprised if the energy required to keep billions of ASICs humming is more than the energy required to keep millions of people humming.
Further, the fractional reserve system is far from rock solid. It appears to be solid, until a tipping point of confidence is reached, at which point it falls like a house of cards. It's the definition of a con game.
Let's set aside the issue of whether or not the military is needed for the dollar to remain valuable and speak strictly about security here. You have mentioned no less than three security goals:
1. Preventing counterfeiting
2. Enforcing tax payments
3. Preventing theft
Now, let's see what happens with Bitcoin:
1. Counterfeiting is replaced with double spending, and you need at least as much energy to be devoted to fighting this as would be needed for an attack.
2. Bitcoin does nothing to reduce the energy needed to enforce tax payments, it just shifts the goalposts slightly.
3. Wallet theft is a real problem, and Bitcoin itself does nothing to combat it; you still need to devote energy to securing your wallet, no different than depositing money in a bank.
In other words, two of the three security goals that you mentioned are not addressed in any meaningful way by Bitcoin, and the one that is addressed still winds up requiring far more energy than is needed for fiat currency. Even if paper money turns out to be too inefficient, Chaum's research in the 80s and 90s showed the world how to create digital cash that simultaneously allows for anonymous payments, prevents double spending, and requires substantially less work to secure than it does to attack (exponentially so, in fact). The difference, of course, is that Chaum's designs all called for a central bank in the system, which you already need with fiat currency.
"I'd be surprised if the energy required to keep billions of ASICs humming is more than the energy required to keep millions of people humming."
The problem is that the number of ASICs that need to be powered on will increase as the attempts to attack Bitcoin increase, until eventually half the energy output of the planet is being devoted to ASICs. That is not the situation with fiat currency, as noted above.
"Further, the fractional reserve system is far from rock solid. It appears to be solid, until a tipping point of confidence is reached, at which point it falls like a house of cards. It's the definition of a con game."
Except that the "confidence" is not in the banking system, but in the legal system that supports it. Fiat currency's value stems from tax laws, debt laws, torts, and so forth, and when people talk about "confidence in the government" what they really mean is "confidence in the government's ability to enforce the law." If you truly lack such confidence, try this: stop paying your taxes. As long as people believe that failure to pay their taxes will result in losing their property and freedom, people will continue to demand payment with fiat currency -- the only currency they can use to pay their taxes. Likewise with people who have to repay loans (you would be insane to issue a loan in a currency that courts do not deal in), people who have been ordered by courts to make certain payments (again, this will be in whatever currency the courts deal in), people who must pay parking tickets, etc., etc., etc.
The vast majority of businesses that "accept Bitcoin" are actually accepting fiat currency payments, via a service that exchanges Bitcoin for fiat currency, and only because that allows them to accept electronic payments with lower transaction fees compared to the alternatives. That is how pervasive the "house of cards" is.
If you cannot identify a particular, distinguishing feature of Bitcoin that accounts for its popularity, why should we believe that this is not a bubble?
Can you identify a particular, distinguishing feature of Facebook that accounts for its popularity? You can, but many modern day competitors have most of the same features, plus additional ones. Everything that they do is pretty easy to replicate.
Both Bitcoin and Facebook may be outcompeted some day in the future, but that doesn't make them bubbles.
Until Bitcoin is broken through advances in computing or a solution better than Bitcoin comes along, Bitcoin is the top of the heap for digital cash.
Not only that, but:
1) People with investment in hashing power tend to hash on bitcoin
2) If another coin were to come along (as they do, ask me about Terracoin) the speculators would find it.
3) The coin would be vulnerable to attack from those speculators who control even a tiny fraction of the hashes of Bitcoin.
I'm not just talking about double-spend, I mean someone (or several someones) with a large amount of hash power (say, each individually much smaller than 51% of total) coming along to service the network for a short while, driving up the difficulty, and getting away with a lot of coins while actually processing transactions for a comparatively short amount of time.
TRC, as a network with usually several terrahashes[2] hashing constantly, had to implement some controls[4] to prevent this kind of attack.
When the coin is more profitable to hash, the speculators find out, they bring their hashes, and it drives the difficulty up.
When the difficulty goes up, a slog ensues (the per-hash temporary advantage of mining Terracoin dries up) as the speculators take their hashes elsewhere and the remaining sloggers have only to hope that they can provide enough TRC at low cost[3] such that there is never an advantage to speculators, and thus the network can experience organic growth bringing in more permanent hashes from those who support its development.
The controls only limit the mobility of the difficulty (it can't shift up by 4x or down to 0.25x of the last retarget)
So when the slog is particularly bad (high difficulty), or when the hashing hordes are particularly voracious (low difficulty compared to coin price)... instead, it can increase to 1.25x or decrease to 0.75x -- you have to watch the network pretty close to see when people are getting over on profitability, but when they do you can still feel it for days.
The effect of not being the largest network seems to be that your difficulty goes up and down, not always just up up up. It's hard to find long-term difficulty reporting.[1]
Of course when bitcoin spenders are willing to wait up to 10 minutes for blocks, and Terracoin targets 2 minute blocks, even "network's running slow" seems pretty fast in relative terms, as long as it's not uncontrolled adjustment.
They must be doing something right, they're still/currently the most profitable Alt-SHA256 coin, even if the share prices have taken a serious dump.[5]
[1] http://pool.bitcoinreactor.com/pool/statistics/?cur=trc
[2] http://trc.cryptocoinexplorer.com/
[3] https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/27
[1] http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/04/bitcoin...
In SR's case, the news was better than one would have predicted. Despite it being the worst-case scenario - the server seized intact, Ross's laptop seized unlocked, all outstanding balances confiscated - it wasn't that bad because Ross's personal savings do not yet seem to have been taken, the current seizures will not be sold until the trial is over, and the bust was not due to breaks in either Bitcoin (they didn't even bother with blockchain analysis in the indictments!) or Tor (as far as we can currently tell) but to errors and overwhelming hubris on Ross's part, so SR could be and was quickly replaced by a flood of clones/competitors (at last count: BlackMarket Reloaded, Sheep Marketplace, BuyItNow, DeepBay, Budster, & Black Flag are all actively buying & selling; in addition, The Market and Silk Road Reloaded are expected to come online in the next few weeks/months).
There are two things that can kill bitcoin: a dteermined attack by a major world government, and something clearly better (from the point of view of its users). I'm betting on the second.
It makes no sense to say "Bitcoin is fiat" and then to say it doesn't have any government or strong player behind it. It's one or the other.
The difficulty jump over the last month is intense: http://bitcoindifficulty.com
edit: This is a pretty good quick wrap up of what I think is going on here: http://chralash.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-new-pseudo-bubb...
Quibbling about the current valuation misses the point. The secure transfer mechanism is the real value, and is not getting shoved back in the bag. Bet long on BTC and I doubt very highly you'll regret it, even if you get in at 200US and lose over the next few months.
How about you guys go 12 months without losing 25%+ of value in a single day before you start talking about being "here to stay".
The value is the txn network and that isn't going away. Price volatility is irrelevant to the long term value of it as a transaction vector of last resort for a huge number of applications.
Smells like success, not failure.
I mean, the broadcast.com guys made out like bandits, the buyers, not so much.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg360ztgTzm1g10zm2g...
If you look at it up to about end-of-year 2000.
Market manipulation as an insider is impossible, as there are no insiders; manipulation is only possible by attacking infrastructure or accumulating enough BTC.
Future bubbles and crashes are likely, but I predict it's going to continue to bounce back pretty much forever. Only if many major governments began to criminalize it, or if some new somehow "better" cryptocurrency came out, would it be in risk of complete deflation.
[1]The "mining" is a clever hack against crashes in that it makes speculators reluctant to divest their BTC holdings for less than they've spent acquiring the BTC. But if you can't reliably convert the BTC back to GPU time (assuming you actually wanted it) it's still intrinsically worthless.
Everyone is touting the 12 million number for total coins in circulation right now and 21 million as the maximum amount. In practice both of those numbers are going to be significantly lower.
It's been linked to Ross/altoid's Bitcointalk posts, and has a sum consistent with the first year of SR commissions. That's all as conclusive evidence as anyone needs for it.
I sure am, back when I was mining and buying at around the 1$ mark I thought to myself; self, you know this is all just games and popcorn, but there'll always be a bigger sucker out there and some day they'll come along and buy all this stuff you're now building, so suck it up and tolerate the jet engine whine of the fans, you'll be rich in the long run.
Not really, though.
2 million coins were sold in the last 30 days: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=30d and yet the price rose from $130 to $200... So a few extra "hundreds of thousands" of coins being sold would not have been able to significantly decrease the exchange rate.
So anyway, I think we're at a point where the mining difficulty has little impact on the price. Newcomers are going to buy coins, not mine them.
Is it crazy to think that BTC are largely supply-bound, and BTC miners have just upped the price to the new barely-profitable level?
Miners have zero incentive to sell their bitcoins for less than the cost of producing them. Left to themselves, the price should approach the minimum cost of producing bitcoins (since they do have incentive to undercut each other as much as possible).
Speculators could respond to a price increase by miners by dumping their inventory on the market somewhere between the old break-even mining price and the new break-even mining price, undercutting the miners and lowering the price. This would go on until either the speculators exhausted their supply of cheap bitcoins, or the miners were all driven out of business.
The real question is how the supply of the miners compares to the supply of the (active) speculators. If the miners are the principal supply of new bitcoins, and speculators are by and large just holding their bitcoins until some future time when the price is even higher, then the miners could totally up the global price by upping their own prices.
Unless bills are due and the credit card is already maxed out.
I'm guessing here, but I think mining is currently on the level of individuals and not corporations.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1owf4v/im_rick_falkvin...
At the very moment, I see mt. gox and coinbase price at $202. And bitstamp price at $194.
It is becoming de-facto plan B for big players.
Several internet drug lords would beg to differ.
Now having said that, that hasn't yet happened and I presume over time it's less likely to happen. But still, there's nothing intrinsic to Bitcoin that says "Party A has the wallet and therefore only they can spend what's in it".
When the private key is gone, the coins are gone.
Might be forgetting a brain-wallet, might be forgetting the password or losing the keys to the encrypted drive the keys are in, or it could be as simple as losing or destroying the physical media the keys are on.
We can quibble about the precise technical details of how DPR specifically might have those coins secured, but it's mostly moot at this point; that address likely won't be changed any time soon.
Surely removing 1% of the current circulation must have a few effects.
Thats not my area, but i would like to know if BC could get more attractive than gold in a fallout economy scenario?
If you want to prepare for a situation where we no longer have the internet, then gold might be a viable option. But I don't care to consider that possibility, for the same reason I don't care to prepare for a nuclear holocaust. I believe my expected utility/happiness is greater this way.