The Roots of the Government Shutdown
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I don't see how anything could be passed that goes away from the current system; it would be attacked as curtailing freedom in one way or another (remember who we're dealing with here...) The only solution I see is encouraging the non ideological portion of the general public to start participating in elections. I fear that's a tall order though.
The real solution isn't to change how we select candidates for what amounts to a "choose one of two options" general election, the solution is abandoning election methods which make the general election into a "choose one of two options" elections.
For legislative elections, replacing single-member districts with 3-5 member multimember districts and using a candidate-centered (not party list) election method using preference ballots that tends to produce proportional results (Single Transferrable Vote or something like it would be the obvious choice) would be ideal.
For state-level executive elections where there is a constitutional designated successor (e.g., Governor and Lt. Governor), electing both from the same ballot, using a preference voting system -- pretty much any sane single-winner preference voting system, including Instant Runoff, though a Condorcet method would probably be preferable -- where the normal winner is elected to the top slot and the winner from the same ballots with the first winner eliminated is elected to the second spot would be an improvement (preference voting minimizes the incentive to vote tactically among parties, having two offices to fill from the same ballot encourages each party to provide more than one candidate.)
For elections that must be single winner without a designated successor (such as, I dunno, State Insurance Commissioner), using the same single-winner preference-ballot system as for executive with designated successor -- in its straight, one winner form -- is probably the best available choice. OTOH, as these are often executive officers, it may be better (with a decent election system for chief executives) to eliminate separately-elected executive officers so as to minimize split attention and focus accountability.
For all elections, using partisan primaries but using a preference ballot system that selects the appropriate number of candidates for the election (rather than FPTP) would be the best choice. While you'll inevitably always have a bias toward the more engaged in non-general election, preference ballots minimize the influence of the most pure faction within the most engaged subgroup that votes in primaries, and fixing choice problems in the general election mean that there are more parties whose primaries matter.
Presidential elections, assuming that the electoral college is retained -- and that's the hardest change to make since it requires a Constitutional change, while most of the others do not -- are the hardest fix. Changing to preference ballots with a sane single winner system for primaries would help choice issues, but would probably end up turning actual candidate selection back over to party insiders at conventions, since it would make it much harder for a single candidate to get a majority of delegates through the primary process.
Changing primaries to preference ballots and using a system that outputs a complete preference ranking of candidates by state -- such as iterating a single-winner system eliminating the winner after each round until a complete preference ordering is achieved -- and having convention delegates vote preference ballots (that are, in the initial ballot, required, for regular state delegates, to be cast in accordance with the outcome of the state primary on the first ballot) would be one alternative which would both mitigate the power of extremist factions and preserve popular rather than insider selection.
Anything that weakens the parties strengthens the money. "Nonpartisan" is anything but.
In Washington State, there are now fewer choices and the cost of races have sky rocketed. The Top Two primary has become another form of incumbency protection.
If you had proposed actual election reform, like approval voting or proportional representation, sign me up. Ditto campaign finance reform, like restoring the Fairness Doctrine or public financing of campaigns.
And everyone keeps talking about default, but failing to raise the debt ceiling does not cause us to default. There's plenty of revenue, and plenty of other spending to cut before we get there.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/10/14/the-default...
The sequester should take care of some those spending cuts. Getting a Democratically controlled government to cut spending is pretty hard considering they believe the way to stimulate growth is to spend and increase taxes.
EDIT: Not saying Democrats are the only ones who like to spend - Bush pushed the debt up quite a bit while he was in office so Republicans are not blameless either. However, most Republicans believe in smaller government, less taxes, and being fiscally responsible.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.ht...
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I would question the downvote, considering my post is just a link I grabbed from the first google search on 'deficit spending by year', but then I realized that cognitive dissonance is a harsh mistress. I won't judge if you lash out with your mouse. Aaand I just broke my own rule about replying to downvotes...
Bush reduced the deficit over several years too, did you ignore that? Gods, you partisans are hilarious.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-shutdown-treasury-debt...
If you're so out of the loop that you haven't already heard about this issue, you get dozens of resources with a simple google.
"Lew would not commit to prioritizing payments on government bonds if the debt limit is not raised. He said the decision would be up to Obama."
No, I don't have a source to back up any of this. Sorry about the "ass" comment; I shouldn't have phrased my point in that manner.
― George Washington, George Washington's Farewell Address
Even George Washington saw political parties as a great threat to the nation.
Politicians seek to remain in office - either out of a drive for personal ambition, the need for public validation, or through bright-eyed idealism to 'change the world'. The best way to stay in office is to align yourself with support - and most get this from their political party. But in order to keep the support of a party, you've got to go along with all of the things your party supports. This leads to group-think ... compromising your personal values for the sake of supporting your fellow politicians. There's no way that the members of the House and Senate agree on all of the issues they vote together on, but their party needs support, so they vote along ... abdicating their responsibility for the sake of party unity. And since their party has an opponent, part of their job as a good party member is to demonize those opponents. Now the media has set themselves up to promote this conflict. One network slants one way ... another slants the other way ... and they'll split their screen down the middle to make sure the yelling from both sides is captured. Lobbyists like career-politicians. It means their campaign contributions can be redeemed over more than one term, and they don't need to start over each election.
What's the solution? I'm not exactly sure, but the list includes term limits, changing gerrymandering, reducing the influence of money in politics, making politics less of a "contact sport" than its being presented as by the media, and probably all sorts of things I haven't mentioned or thought of. The problem is, much of this change cannot happen without the support of either the Supreme Court, or the very people whose careers will be impacted (likely negatively from their perspective) by such a change - and there's the rub. Democracy allows voters to remove a Cancer - but lately the replacement organs are metastasizing upon implantation.
In the end, many of their intentions have been ignored or corrupted, even demonized, and many of their decisions have been reversed over the years. It's a matter of debate over whether these changes from the original vision made things better or worse.
For example, Jefferson's set of ideals was roughly:
- Decentralized government, so people can rule themselves at a local level.
- Universal literacy and civic knowledge, through free public education, so a civil society would exist and have the knowledge to govern itself wisely.
- Relatively good economic equality, as it was envisioned as primarily a nation of independent individuals who own their own tools and/or land, trading with each other of their own free will: yeoman farmers, tradesmen, shopkeepers, etc. (excluding slaves, it must be said...).
It's not clear what his alternative proposal would be if those conditions didn't all hold. For example on #3, Jefferson viewed the social tensions produced by industrialization in Britain with alarm, but thought the U.S., with its large amount of free land and different culture, could avoid them just by just avoiding centralizing, factory-based industrialization. Instead he hoped machines would be introduced in a more decentralized manner, with farmers and tradesmen owning a few machines here and there, as was the case with the printing presses. That would avoid the problem of poor masses of urban workers and be consistent with the ideal of decentralized free men governing themselves. But of course, he was wrong on that, and the U.S. got mass industrialization anyway, just a bit later than Britain.
I'd say that "checks and balances" were more important to them than the inability for the government to do things in the first place. Unfortunately, the forces described in the OP have compromised many congressional districts to the point where they have to be unthinking, uncompromising ideologues in order to stay in office.
Yeah, because the Articles had the central government at about a 0.4 out of 10 (on the North Korea == 10 scale) and they begrudgingly turned the dial up to about a 1 with the Constitution. They were shooting for the least amount of central government possible that could still maintain a defense from outside aggressors and settle inter-state disputes.
Through inevitable power expansion, it's now at about a 6.
While I agree with the article that the disappearance of the party boss system is a factor, I view the current gridlock as being a voter battle between those who would really like government to be at a 4 vs those who would just love to live in a country that had a government at 8.
And that ~45% of the country wants to be more like North Korea?
At 8/10, does that still leave room for private toilet paper manufacture, or are we drawing the line at private lemonade stands? Where do the slave labor camps come in, is that at 7.5 or closer to 9?
And that ~45% of the country wants to be more like North Korea?
Unwittingly, yes. They think of it in terms of safety nets, equality of outcomes, security, enforced politeness or political correctness, and government coerced egalitarianism... but to have those things they require strengthened centralized control of the population.
Where do the slave labor camps come in, is that at 7.5 or closer to 9?
You joke, but the recent jackbooted thuggery of the Federal government to shut down parks that have never been a part of any government shutdown (and even some that are privately funded) shows that the Feds are bullies who are high on their power. It demonstrated how vindictive and untouchable they can be when the media helps them. It demonstrated more than ever why we shouldn't allow them to control healthcare more than they already do.
Nobody thinks of anything in those terms aside from dreadlocked college communists. Stop listening to talk radio -- we're right here, all around you in this country, you can ask any Obama voter (outnumbering Romney voters) what they think instead of taking Glenn Beck's word for it.
The saving grace of the USA's winner takes all elections is that we vote on absolutely everything, local, county, state, and federal. We have a great deal more involvement in local government.
What's the solution?
I'm glad you asked.
Most of the infighting is in the margins. So eliminate the margins.
First step is fair redistricting, maximizing competitiveness, so there are no "safe" seats.
Second step is universal voter registration. No more caging, provisional ballots, and other quirks.
Third step is campaign finance reform. I favor public financing of campaigns as a cure all. But there's so many other things which would help. Restore fairness doctrine, limit campaigning and fund raising to a small window before elections, any and all contributions are public records (no more shadow money), etc.
Campaign finance reform, as commonly understood as you describe, is anathema to the fundamental right of free speech. Any attempts to regulate, limit, and document facilitation of free speech will be subverted. Better to go the other way, ensuring nothing and nobody actively hinders anyone's political speech: small players aren't stymied by high costs of compliance, loophole tunneling, or short-run big-cost campaigns. And again, what constitutes "fairness" in the badly-termed "fairness doctrine"? a lofty-sounding regulation, it empowers someone biased to decide how much of which view is promoted by what outlet - to wit, telling speakers what they can say when. "Freedom of the press" is a fundamental principle: you may buy a printing press (however broadly defined) and you may use it to facilitate whatever speech you choose at whatever cost you can raise money to fund it with; don't subvert that, or we'll have to repeat what enumerated that right in the first place.
Maximal competitiveness.
down a grid and subdivide quadrants by population
aka red lining
Campaign finance reform, as commonly understood as you describe, is anathema to the fundamental right of free speech.
Money != speech.
Any attempts to regulate, limit, and document facilitation of free speech will be subverted.
Laundering campaign money thru Super PACs et al is a form of speech?
I thought you libertarians were all for open government, transparency, accountability.
Regardless, freedom of speech != right to privacy. When you petition the government, you have to use your real name.
Speaking to more than a dozen people at a time costs money. If you're going to try to persuade 50,000,000 people to vote for you (about how many voters needed to win a US presidential vote), that's going to cost a LOT of money. If your message is a tough sell, it will take even more money to sell it.
Your example proves my point. Precisely because regulations exist to limit political speech, those seeking to fund more speech than allowed have to launder campaign money thru Super PACs et al; those who hit the regulatory limits on political speech but don't have the huge sums available for such "laundering" are stuck. The more you try to tighten limits on political speech, the greater the cost to bypass those limits - and the greater the rewards to those who do, seeing their competition impeded by regulation. And those limits WILL be bypassed, as there will ALWAYS be some way, given enough money, to bypass them.
Libertarians are primarily for less governance, removing barricades erected where there is no need for them in the first place. There is no need for regulatory accountability in political speech if the regulations exist for oppressive purposes: restore liberty by removing the regulations, and there is nothing to account for. No need to make barriers open, transparent, and accountable if you remove the barriers entirely.
Sure, you have to use your real name when petitioning the government. When citizens speak to other citizens, it's not the government's business.
Really? Okay.
It's a three way cage match between the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. No holds barred. We all decide by TXTing to vote while watching the pay per view live telecast.
Voting and election reforms must be partisan neutral. To better serve the voters, vs serve the parties.
Currently, districting carves out safe seats. Part of the horse trading that goes on. Serves the existing parties, but not the voters.
Competitive in Wyoming means taking the partisan index for the state and dividing it down the middle (per Durverger's Law). The most "liberal" elected in Wyoming is probably far more conservative than the "conservatives" in California. Which is okay. The people deserve representatives that reflect their values.
The point of fair redistricting is to ensure that all of these campaigns, no matter where, are competitive.
Right now, the only serious challenge to many candidates, both Ds and Rs, come during the primaries, which are low voter turnout elections. So the candidates have become ever more extreme.
I have no problem with any extremist position, eg Tea Party, so long as it reflects the will of the people. The People should get the government they deserve.
Maximal competitiveness in FPTP elections inherently means maximizing the proportion of citizens that are maximally dissatisfied with the representative of their district, by maximizing the proportion of the population who are represented by a member of their least-favored major party.
Which illustrates the "there are no good districting methods in FPTP" issue, and why focussing on how you draw FPTP district lines is a waste of time.
Maximal competitiveness means making elections closer, outcomes more uncertain. Every election race should be a knife fight. (A side effect of this will be to boost voter turnout, increasing the legitimacy of the elections.)
My views are informed/inspired by the lessons learned BC's Citizens Assembly on Election Reform's efforts.
"The Case for Redistricting Juries: Lessons from British Columbia’s Revolutionary Experiment in Democratic Reform" http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1405605
I've been following your other comments re FPTP vs proportional. Good stuff. While I support proportional representation for assemblies (eg council, House), it conflicts with my support for direct democracy, which I haven't fully reconciled yet. I'm sure you understand.
Yes, it does.
That also means, in FPTP, maximizing dissatisfaction with the outcome.
> Every election race should be a knife fight.
I disagree. Every election should produce effective representation of the electors; FPTP elections -- metaphorical "knife fights" or otherwise -- do not do that, and engineering them for maximal competitiveness invokes one failure mode (maximal general election dissatisfaction) in order to minimize another (the failure mode wherein the general election is non-competitive, so the real choice is made in the process which selects candidates for the general election.)
> While I support proportional representation for assemblies (eg council, House), it conflicts with my support for direct democracy, which I haven't fully reconciled yet.
Direct democracy is proportional representation taken to one extreme. I don't see why supporting PR for what representative offices exists should conflict with a preference for direct democracy.
Ah. Now I get your meaning.
I don't see why supporting PR for what representative offices exists should conflict with a preference for direct democracy.
Having done some lobbying in the USA, I wonder how effective lobbying would be where PR is used.
Party primaries were the answer to closed party candidate selection methods. Those smoke filled rooms. It was considered in the public interest to increase participation. Which is why govts now pay to administer those elections.
This way there are still two major parties but a candidate must get support from the lesser parties to succeed.
"Electoral fusion is an arrangement where two or more political parties on a ballot list the same candidate, pooling the votes for that candidate."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fusion
It's a partial step towards approval voting. I support it.
It's important to note that, while the Farewell Address is all too often cited as a warning against the future emergence of parties or party-like factions in some general sense, it is, in fact, Washington's view of the threats from the then-present two-party system, which began forming almost immediately after the Constitution went into effect, and crystalized around the end of Washington's first term.
> I'm not exactly sure, but the list includes term limits
Term limits do nothing to reduce the power of factions; indeed, by limiting the individual influence of politicians acheived through long tenure in position, they increase the power of organized factions that are not directly accountable and which provide support for politicians between offices, and offer new cookie cutter candidates for offices.
> changing gerrymandering
Gerrymandering is a distraction; while its one failure mode of single-member districts with FPTP elections, its not the problem, just a symptom. Single-member districts with FPTP elections is the problem.
> reducing the influence of money in politics
Economic power is inherently the ability to get people to do what you want, and money is simply a symptom of economic power. Its arguable whether economic power and political power are even meaningfully different concepts.
You may want to consider whether the root problem is really the influence of money on politics, or the degree of economic inequality in the society.
> making politics less of a "contact sport" than its being presented as by the media
What does this even mean in concrete terms?
That's one factor, sure, but you have to consider that tenured politicians are both a force in their political seat as well as a force in the "organized factions", so they magnify the power of those factions and reduce the need for those factions to expend effort. Once a faction owns a candidate, the candidate helps them maintain power so the faction can gather more candidates with less marginal cost.
At least with term limits, there are chances for citizen legislators to attain office. Organized factions have to expend much more effort to keep their candidates elected and in check.
Besides, term limits are just one problem. Dealing with the organized factions is another one.
I believe that cable news broadcasts, where many Americans get their version of the news, do a poor job of informing the populous.
Instead, these broadcasts provide politically-slanted editorialized coverage of issues that may do well in ratings, but likely do little to advance the awareness of Americans about what's actually happening in their world. News agencies are afforded capabilities and access to the nation's political leadership that other Americans do not have, but I feel they're mis-using these rights in-exchange for ratings - what ultimately sells commercials. I don't watch cable news anymore - but when I did, it was full of guests talking over one-another, interrupting one-another, or waiting for the other person to stop so they could ignore whatever the other person had said so they could get their speaking points across. All the while, the host is cutting everyone short in order to say their 24-hour news network is just about out of time. And somehow a 6 minute segment split between two guests yelling at each-other, jammed between a commercial for a pill designed to make your penis harder, and a commercial telling us how much a too-big-to-fail bank cares about the families of this nation, is supposed to leave us with an informed nation capable of understanding why they're voting for the politician they're voting for next time they step into a voting booth.
I wish the news was less editorialized, and more factual ... but it's essentially been divided into two versions of the facts, and you choose which channel you want to watch for the version you'd like to receive. I realize there's other outlets to receive news - and I personally believe those hold the most hope for the future.
Sounds like a good solution to me.
With term limits, you restrict the benefits of lobbying, reduce corruption, and bring a new vitality to the political process.
I can't even think of a single downside. What benefit could there be in keeping a politician in place for decades? Certainly they will learn how to be a better politician, but how does that benefit the populace?
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From where I sit, there was a massive shift in the 1970s in how the American political system operates. [..] Political bosses controlled the selection of state convention delegates, and therefore the bosses controlled the delegates to the national convention [..] The reformers wanted to break the hold of the party bosses over the system and open it to dissent, something party bosses disliked. [..] This severely limited the power of state and county chairmen, who could no longer handpick candidates.
Money, not the bosses' power, became the center of gravity of the political system, and those who could raise money became the power brokers. More important, those who were willing to donate became candidates' main constituency. [..] Money has always been central to American politics. [..] But with the decline of political bosses, factors other than money were eliminated.
A candidate in either party [..] needs the votes of the majority of voters who will show up. In the past model, voters showed up because, say, they got their job on the highway crew from the county boss, and they had to appear at the polls if they wanted to keep it. [..] Now, people show up because of their passionate belief in a particular ideology, and money is spent convincing them that a candidate shares their passionate commitment.
But it is the senators and particularly the congressmen -- who run in districts where perhaps 20 percent of eligible voters vote in primaries, most of them ideologues -- who are forced away from principle and toward ideology. [..] I would argue that the problem is that the current system magnifies the importance of the ideologues such that current political outcomes increasingly do not reflect the public will, and that this is happening at an accelerated pace.
However, there are conditions in the US that conspire against this: the Supreme Court's interpretation of the 1st amendment being one of them (e.g. corporations are people); the size of the US and its federal structure being another.
Yet I agree with the author: there is a hack to make the system more representative without breaking it much more. We just have to find one and somehow get it implemented!
The Constitution says "shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" and doesn't say it's a particular right of individuals, just a blanket ban on legislation on the topic. Protecting the freedom of the press as an exclusively individual right doesn't even make sense.
That's very curious. My guess is that the boss system and the petty ambitions that fuel it is easier to game for those with real ambition. I don't think FDR would have been able to do what he did in today's political climate. The best we can hope for is Obama.
Party bosses are no better pickers of candidates and their influence continues to be a true pain for this country.
I'm reading "Whitey: The Life of America's Most Notorious Mob Boss", and I'm almost underwhelmed. Bulger managed to capture the Boston FBI and had informants in all the other police services and a brother in the state legislature and all it was good for was a handful of murders and control of some very profitable local rackets. That seems like small peanuts compared to the developing world and even much of the developed world. Someone with Whitey's skillset could have become the richest man in a very large number of countries and wound up running the whole country.
"Don't any of you realize that there's only one life between that madman and the Presidency?"
Prophetic. Less than a year after the election, McKinley was killed by an anarchist and Roosevelt ascended to the presidency.
Hanna considered challenging him in the 1904 election (he really hated Roosevelt) but failing health prevented him from doing so—he died of typhoid fever before the campaign was under way, much to the disappointment of business interests (especially J.P. Morgan) who were fearful of Roosevelt's anti-trust tendencies. Morgan supported Hanna partially as retribution for Roosevelt's targeting of his rail combination.
1) Proportional representation - Each district should be bigger and elect a number of representatives, in a similar fashion to the senate but based on equal divisions of the population. This will also have the effect of breaking the two party system.
2) Capped government provided funding for campaigning - This should limit the effect of money on the ability to disseminate the candidates platform for election, and steer the issues more towards their merit than audio volume.
1. How is this any different than what we have now? How does this break the two-party system since the Senate you hold up as the example engages in the two-party system just as much as the House? Why is the House the sole problem and no other branches of government are involved in the problems?
2. Government provided funds is not the problem with campaign funds. This would likely increase the amount of money from the private sector which is often the problem. Obama took the ultimate cap on government funds in his first election, he refused all of it. He won handily with a rather large war chest.
Good to see someone acknowledge that what many look at as unique American problems are there by design. If you see them as a problem, that's a totally valid view, but please, acknowledge that things like the ease of obstruction, difficulty of substantial, long-lasting, transformative chance, and the public disinterest in government are all by design. The founders considered them features, not bugs.
>> In the 20th century, the boss system selected such presidents as Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower and John Kennedy. I was struck at how a self-evidently corrupt and undemocratic system would have selected such impressive candidates (albeit along with Warren Harding and other less impressive ones). The system should not have worked, but on the whole, it worked better than we might have imagined. I leave to others to judge how these compare to post-reform candidates like Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush or Barack Obama.
Kennedy and Roosevelt were the epitome of boss driven politicians, and while many argue over how effective they actually were, no one can argue that were not highly influential. I'm personally a fan of Coolidge as well. In the modern system, only Reagan and Clinton seem likely to be remembered by history as peers of the Presidents on the first list, and both of them are regarded as some of the most historically charismatic politicians of all time. Very interesting.
It's also interesting to compare, say, European countries which often have the appearance of similar levels of "big government," but they are generally done at smaller scales more equivalent to US states. The US may be more unique in trying to increasingly manage the interests of 300 million people through one centralized and increasingly powerful yet also democratic government. (then again, there may be holes in that tidy narrative as well...)
To take one issue on which the conservative/liberal alignment on that question is reversed: conservatives tend to oppose state control over regulation and product liability, and have been strong proponents of uniform federal regulations, which through the doctrine of federal preemption displace state regulations.
The reason is that they consider it impractical to have to comply with 50 mutually incompatible auto-safety laws, since cars are not built separately on a state-by-state basis. Instead, they have lobbied (successfully) for the federal government to "occupy the field" with a comprehensive set of automobile safety and emissions regulations, which, through the Supremacy Clause, preempt any state regulation. This has generally been the "conservative" view in both legislation and jurisprudence: conservative federal legislators have been more willing to explicitly preempt state economic and environmental regulation, and conservative judges have been more willing to apply the preemption doctrine broadly. The "liberal" view, meanwhile, has tended to be more in favor of preserving the prerogative of each state to regulate sales, pollution, and product liability within its borders.
National security is another one where the alignment is typically the opposite. Many liberals would support a return, at least partially, to the classic decentralized view of armed forces: each state maintains a national guard to be used in case of invasion, and the federal government provides basic coordinating and informational services, but doesn't maintain a large standing army in peacetime. Conservatives generally oppose any significant reduction in the size of the federal armed forces.
Conservatives don't in general, only for some minor social issues like abortion. But Republicans generally do. There is no classically conservative party in American politics now. Hasn't been since the Bush administration's response to 9/11. Both major parties now stand for expanding state power as much as they possibly can.
edit: child comment is correct, I misread "state" as any government. As for actual states, my perception is that neither party cares about state power vs federal power. Republicans occasionally make noise about it, but only because they're not in power federally at the moment. The next time the presidency goes Republican, the GOP will be fully on the federal side.
Your biased one-sided complaint completely sidesteps the issues at hand. The article that sparked this discussion quite correctly points out the problems that led us here when two sets, TWO mind you, of ideologies refuse to back down and compromise. You say conservatives got what they wanted with the shutdown? I say both groups got what they wanted out of this in their own way and we'll go through it all again in February.
You need to get out of this "us-vs-them" attitude and realize that two different people who strongly disagree with each other may still have a point on the topic at hand.
The only way the states will restore their former power is not through civil war, but through the total collapse of the federal government. Things have gone too far in terms of centralizing power for anything other than total failure to reverse the trend. It's just that no one knows when or if this would be.
But when all laws are federal, the stakes are higher for everyone, so drastic measures will be taken.
Funny that you said there were no negotiations or compromises to be had when in the end that what was done to get the thing passed. Everything in politics that requires voting by multiple parties involves negotiations. By your logic there was no reason to vote on the thing at all because there was nothing to discuss.
You don't have to wait until the next election cycle, all this did was kick the can down the road to early next year. We'll soon be back to the children in the playground playing "who blinks first".
You are correct that we are simply kicking the can down the road, but this sideshow was not the way to handle it. Holding the "non-essential" employees of the federal government ransom is ridiculous on its face. What did they expect the outcome was going to be? That Barack Obama would accept a "compromise" that would neuter his landmark piece of legislation? His magnum opus? Please. This is 110% politics.
But having the childish attitude of "its the law of the land" only works for one side as long as we're talking about a law they support. As soon as the opposition pulls the same stunt then all of a sudden that's not a proper defense of discussing problems with a law.
Now, to be clear, I did not support the stunt performed in the Senate. I understood the intention behind it but it was a lost cause before it even started. For one, no matter what happened the Republicans would get the blame for the shutdown because that's always the outcome. The other reason being that the ACA was going forward despite what they would do. Notice how when the shutdown happened federal websites went down almost across the board? Notice how the ACA website was still up and running? Or it attempted to at least. Notice how they were arguing over funding the thing but it moved forward regardless? Interesting how they had to shut down parks that cost them next to nothing to run but could keep working on the ACA website that cost much more. That stunt in the Senate was a waste of time simply because it was going to go forward despite anything the Republicans did. The administration has already ignored rules, regulations, and laws in attempts to get it going, did anyone think that stupid stunt would somehow magically stop it?
As for the President's "I won't negotiate" while accusing the other side of not negotiating, which you seem to support this silly notion, was a mistake. Because one day the Republicans may gain control of the three branches of the government and make a "law of the land" that completely removes the ACA from the books. Will they be able to do so and the Democrats just sit idly by to do nothing? After all, when the Democrats have majority they behave as if the minority should sit down and shut up. "We won", "we have the majority". Those things work both ways. When the Democrats are the minority again, will they advise their members to do what they demanded of the previous minority? I don't expect them to and, in a way, hope that they don't. Regardless, we all know they will take that hypocritical stance. That is 110% politics.
http://chronicle.com/blognetwork/edgeofthewest/2010/05/20/wh...
http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parti...
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/197976/explainer-how-democra...
(and completely irrelevant, red vs blue) http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Repub...
This is something that the politically active simply cannot grasp. Most Americans really do not care at all about politics unless it is currently impacting their life. They can talk all they want about how important it is, but most Americans have jobs, kids, a mortgage, friends, and sports teams to pay attention to, all of which are more urgent concerns than what goes on in politics, especially given that we only get a chance to participate so sparingly.
I know who my hometown congresswoman is, mainly because he is well known in the community. Same with my hometown state senator, who is a family friend. I have no idea who any of those people are for the 3 other Congressional districts I have lived in, except knowing that Henry Waxman was my representative in college, since he was an alum.
In addition to the distortion of perception through second-hand accounts versus perception through actively participating in the modern scene, I'd argue that no small part of the perception of modern presidents is affected by the proliferation of media sources and the formation of specialized media outlets with a particular ideological audience that didn't exist as widely in the past.
Our elected representatives are supposed to be pragmatists, and what does a pragmatist do when faced with a difficult problem? Compromise. Instead we're left with ideologues that shout from the highest mountaintops about "bipartisanship" however it's just bluster and posturing.
Just my two cents. Thanks for an interesting comment.
In this case, it seems like the principle has already been compromised, and now the two parties are simply haggling over the price, so to speak. The principle that I think has been compromised is whether the government should take by force from some individuals in order to give an unearned benefit to some others.
Seems like a concept that most Americans can get behind, but the rubber doesn't meet the road until you ask which rights of which individuals need protecting.
Is abortion law about the rights of the mother or the rights of the fetus? Is campaign finance law about the rights of the rich person or the poor person? Is business regulation about the rights of the employer or the employee? Etc.
Different people will answer these questions in different ways, so if everyone just sticks to their principles, nothing will ever change or get done.
Go vote in primaries, get your friends to go vote in primaries and maybe even reach out to particularly ideological districts to make sure the moderates there go vote (this might be a good idea for a web app 'Passionate centrist - email a centrist encourage them to vote').