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I keep saying it, and downvote me if you wish. Screw Firebase, and long live any initiative from Mozilla. I am not going to shove my data, realtime or not, through some commercial service I have no intention of paying for and exposing myself to the same non-sense as before.

However, I will give Mozilla a hard time this time around: the README on Github kind of dismisses my desire to host my own TogetherJS/TowTruck server. I am sad only because with other projects, like Firefox Sync and to some extent Persona once the code is stableish, they encourage people hosting their own server-side components.

In any event, no Firebase for me. Thanks.

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[TogetherJS Team Member Here] Our hope is for people to find easy, early success with TogetherJS. Hosting a service is still a relatively difficult thing to do, full of potential pitfalls and costs including SSL certs, etc. We want to steer first-time implementors down the simplest path. That being said, we're happy--no, ecstatic--for those who feel the need to host the hub themselves to do so.

Long term, we'd actually like to do away with the Hub server altogether, and rely instead on the WebRTC DataChannel API. Decentralizing this communication would bring countless benefits to the project, including lower hosting costs and much better end-user privacy implications.

Might I recommend http://tent.io as an alternative? I don't have any affiliation with the project. I just think it's the brightest option I've seen for the future of the consumer cloud. It's basically a cloud backend protocol that allows the customer to pick their own tent host that acts as a data store for content they create at sites that use it for a backend. They can even host their own tent. The point is that it gives the user power over where their content is actually stored, with the benefit of centralizing content from disparate apps.

You definitely don't have the use Firebase. Mozilla even has their own Hub Sever you can use, or you can host your own.

Firebase makes your life easier. It's up to you if you choose to use it.

You're highly entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame them for wanting to jump on the latest bandwagon and promoting their service. It's obviously working for them. And you have to think that services like this do have an audience.

I prefer to roll my own backend too. I still like seeing a startup being inventive with their marketing. Unlike most startups I've seen, they're at least willing to put more effort in to promoting their service beyond a simple top 10 list or one off tutorial.

Agreed. With all the cloud hosting platforms like Heroku, running one's own backend on these services is quite simple and low maintenance. Firebase may be useful for quickly prototyping something at a hackathon, but that's where I'd leave it.

Source? If that's the case, do you have alternate explanations for the success of Heroku, Firebase, etc?

I'm saying paas solutions like Heroku and AppHarbor are rightfully successful.

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