Facebook Is Kinda OK but Largely Overrated : Matt's Homepage
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Firstly I think anytime there is a whole bunch of people communicating you should never ask yourself what the point is. Communication is a fundamental, it is the reason.
Second there's the big draw cards of social networks - an easy lightweight way to connect and reconnect. Its a great big people directory - and connections are very low social risk - much easier than emailing that person you haven't seen in years. And how are you going to get their email address anyway, any public directory would be spam central.
Of course myspace or any site has that much going for it. So that leaves the final facebook draw card - facebook apps. I totally understand the skepticism, but apps offer lots of different shared activities. Lots of little quizzes and games, very much like the kind of structured getting-to-know-you party game type activities. Its actually very difficult for these kinds of applications to exist without incorporating the friend networks that facebook offers.
Its a platform that allows a kind of lightweight, asynchronous and with easy opt-outs and opt-ins, shared online experience. I think it actually threatens to become the internet for a lot of people.
The rub is that people keep comparing facebook to Google, without seeming to have any idea how it'll get that far beyond a vague notion of connecting people. The only person I know who doesn't use Google search is my grandma, who doesn't use a computer. In contrast, not even half the people I know my age use facebook, and essentially no one older than me uses it or seems at all likely to ever bother.
Its a platform that allows a kind of lightweight, asynchronous and with easy opt-outs and opt-ins, shared online experience. I think it actually threatens to become the internet for a lot of people.
It's not there yet, though. The login requirement is a barrier. The interface is still pretty complicated and it's not much faster(if it's faster at all) than its competitors. There's still nothing so compelling that people can't break a Facebook habit if they want to.
Facebook has a lot of potential, and of course millions of users count for something, but it's not a Google and really doesn't seem to be headed that way.
Myspace has zero interest or ability to push itself further. Google hasn't really thrown its full weight behind orkut, not least because they have a much better money maker they need to protect. So the next generation facebook killer will probably have to be a startup - which means they have to be significantly better to attract users and reach a critical mass.
For example, if everyone did email through facebook, then you could restrict incoming email to within 6 degrees of your friends. If spam starts being sent because of one of your friends, you have incentive to cut off that friendship before you get cut off from your social network.
Like that article awhile back talked about, Facebook is another step in automating the way we build trust. And trust is the bedrock of a cohesive and effective society.
Matt may have some good points but I strongly disagree on this one. Joe 6pack is not ignorant of the FB Platform. Joe 6pack just sees it as: "Mary has offered you a 'long island'", "Jack want's to play poker with you", "You are 67% compatible with Ann in movies", and so on...
I could be wrong but what keeps people coming back on Myspace is just messages either on their wall or in their inbox. In FB this is on steroids, allowing users to do that interaction in a potentially infinite amount of ways. As techies we may think that 98% of these apps suck, but hundreds of new ones come out every week. Even if only a few catch Jill Average's attention for just a few days, it's good enough to keep her and her friends coming back regularly; since there's something new and novel everyday.
FB's platform is perfect of our modern "everything is disposable", attention deficit society.
Facebook apps have definitely made themselves known to Facebook users, but far from indispensable.
"Also contributing to the hype is the Facebook platform. Platform is the Bubble 2.0 buzz word, which everyone talks about but of whose existence Joe Average is now and ever shall be blissfully ignorant."
was that you thought Joe 6pack doesn't know anything about it. All tech enthusiasts talking about it is a well known fact (everyone on yc knows about it). Was there something that I missed in that fragment?
"I meant that platforms in general have not and will not reach the popular consciousness."
I could be wrong, but I feel that my non-technical friends and family that I have FB food fights or Mafia games with would disagree. They may not know what it's called, but they do see it and enjoy it.
speaking of platforms, doesn't joe 6pack use windows at the very least?
At the same time I agree w/ maroon. Social networks are not my thing. Think about how you meet and maintain relationships with people in the real world. You're usually talking to someone you know and they introduce you to someone else. The conversation naturally veers toward common ground where a relationship can be built. I haven't seen a company reproduce this.
I never met anyone new on a social network. I never had the nuggets to ask anyone out and the ones who asked me out were either no-go's or bonafide prostitutes (yes I was on myspace for a few months.)
One of my co-founders said it best. "Facebook is for maintaining aqaintences."
It happens a lot on LiveJournal. I'm still in touch with some of the folks I met 5 years ago on there. I've met them in real life. Some of them have introduced me to all their friends, who I'm also still in touch with (in some cases, moreso than the original friend). A couple of my now-RL friends met on LiveJournal; they're now married. The wedding pictures tagged guests with their LiveJournal usernames instead of their real names.
FaceBook and MySpace spread largely through existing social networks, which is why their growth was so fast. LiveJournal, blogs, webcomics, and the myriad niche forums have been forming new social networks, which is much slower and doesn't get as much press attention. It's there, though, if you're looking in the right places.
Facebook has been around a long time and still has nothing more compelling than turning people into vampires, and they have a ton of geniuses trying to figure it out. Its not only a perpetual novelty, but one which is apparently wearing off if you look at average visits per day per user.
"The web, after all, vanquished proprietary online services like America Online, Prodigy, and Compuserve -- the so-called "walled gardens" -- in large part because the web is a platform and the walled gardens were not."
Umm, no. Broadband vanquished them. They allowed unfettered internet access long before they began their downward spirals. I had AOL in high school, when they were approaching their zenith, and never used any of the walled features, just internet and IM.
When you phrase platform the way he does, it sounds superior. When, in reality, you have people piling layer on top of layer until what remains is something so complex and unreliable that few people can understand or tolerate it, you end up with something nobody wants.
And honestly, anything is a platform once somebody turns it into one. Myspace most definitely is. People make good livings just making layouts for it. Photobucket got rich off of it. Lots of indie bands sold concert tickets and CDs thanks to it. Dane Cook owes it his entire career.
So in the platform race, Facebook is losing. They're a more restrictive platform built onto a smaller one.
(Then after a few years of being a quite prosperous on-ramp, they lost even that, which is the vanquishing you're thinking of.)
So perhaps until almost everyone you know has a regularly used facebook account, it will be hard for people to fully appreciate the value of it.
Interesting anecdotal evidence: A lot of people leave Myspace and Bebo to join Facebook. I've never heard the opposite of this happening.
In other words, never.
It's an online rolodex! A REPLACEMENT for a real rolodex! Isn't that fucking outrageously brilliant?
It's clear how a rolodex web application with messaging and a full-featured API is worth nearly as much as GFS + PageRank + MapReduce + BigTable + 450,000 commodity servers + thousands of motivated engineers.
LinkedIn is.
"Platform is the Bubble 2.0 buzz word"
first there is no bubble2.0 at least not even close to the extent of the last bubble, bad investments/ventures will fail as they always have and will, there are no crazy IPOs with ridiculous valuations. there won't be massive lay-offs.
"It's also yet another way in which MySpace is superior. They have always allowed you to stick JavaScript in your profile page, so it has always had a platform."
uhhm the platform is more than sticking widgets on your profile, if you're writing an opinion piece on this maybe read up? I mean just that you don't come out sounding like a complete idiot.
... and the vast majority of trivialities remained just that, trivialities. Looking at a handful of successful technologies and then tracing them back to when they were trivial is vulnerable to selection bias.
Internet: a place that used to only be mainly useful for looking at free pr0n
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