Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to Computerization
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Working people don't choose. People in power and corporations choose. And the constant is that they want to expand the number of hours and reduce the pay.
The extra productivity that automation brings doesn't matter. It's not like they target X levels of productivity. They target "as much productivity as we can get, up to infinity".
Plus, what would they do with a population that had time in its hands to think and be involved instead of being a wage-slave bound by debt?
(That's not some dystopian tinfoil concept. It's a standard concern of those at the top of any given society from the age of the Romans ("panem et circenses"), to Machiavelli to modern era think tanks).
In fact, in Sweden there's a law that allows parents of children under 8 to work 75% of fulltime (30 hrs/week), but very few make use of it. I suspect that part of the reason is a fear of annoying the employer though.
That's because they also prefer to have a full salary. It's not like employers, considering the increase productivity technology affords, offer full old-time salaries for part time work.
If anything it's the inverse: buying power has dropped since the seventies (only partially offset in some areas with cheaper and more capable electronics, but not for things like housing, food, etc).
As long as countries don't have large economic areas based on corporativism, oligopolies and regulatory capture.
More work against that is needed from economic liberals in e.g. my native Sweden. (You won't see much criticism from media and politicians in such a situation.)
If I can get the same product at a lower price, it frees up some of my income to buy something else. That creates demand, it is is demand that creates jobs.
The problem is that workers aren't fungible. People spend years or even decades acquiring skills, and then technology can automate away what they do, leaving them stranded economically speaking. They need new skills to keep earning because demand has changed.
Also on an individual level we all resist change. If you like your life and lively-hood now, and technology threatens that, it's not surprising that people will go Luddite in order to avoid the effort and risk that comes with changing jobs.
The answer is to put in place the social institutions necessary for people to be more adaptive and fluid in how they earn a living. Give people a safety net to fall on: social insurance, and a ladder to climb to climb out on: education.
Plenty of nations are using parts of this strategy and the data seems clear it works. But it's a difficult sell politically in the US. People here aren't willing to see the taxes they pay as investment toward bettering society as a whole. And to be fair, they're justified in feeling that way since our government's spending priorities are often insane.
Personally I advocate a gradual decrease in allowed work hours - 10 minutes shorter work day every year, or so. Although France has tried this and it doesn't really seem to work.
A very different application of automation to the relative-wealth issue: http://partiallyclips.com/2003/09/25/dome-house/
You might be able to reduce all these administrative costs, but splitting work up among more people has its own cost. Remember Brooke's law, "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later" - the same effect is in play.
[Editted to fix arithmetic. This makes the example less dramatic, but still significant given the profit level of many companies]
I don't understand this. If you are paying:
$1500 for a 30 hour week
+$2000 for administration costs
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$3500
Am I missing something on how changing the $2000/week pay to $1500/week makes the price go up by $500/week? 2000 /wk labour
2000 /wk overhead
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4000 /wk @40hrs/wk
100 / hr
vs 1500 /wk labour
2000 /wk overhead
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3500 /wk @30hr/wk
115 ish / hrWar serves another purpose, too - wealth transfer, and that helps keep the work week at 40 hours.
http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/2962...
> But this never happens. Why?
If you pay an accountant $500/year to do your taxes but all that work could be automated for almost no cost, would you still pay your accountant $500/year?What good is it being rich without poor people for contrast?
Or, from another angle, I suspect (without any formal economic training) that hyper-rich with private jets is not possible in a society where most people are moderately rich, because there wouldn't be excess cash to monopolize.
To achieve the goal of working less, you need to own capital. Technology changes the capital vs. work equation towards capital at the same time when there is increasing global supply of educated workforce. It's just supply and demand. Workers are simply competing towards bottom.
To get to position where you need to work less you would need to have:
1. Change taxation from work to capital.
2. Basic income.
Why do you think it's as many as 1:2?
That sounds like a lot of new jobs to me; How many travel agents did hipmunk and expedia et all shut down vs. how many employees that they have? One robot maker and a couple of robot service-people can make and maintain enough robots to remove a hundred jobs. Or maybe a thousand. I don't know, and I don't pretend to.
Big money requires big investments for the big returns. Big funds cannot consider many worthwhile investments, due to transaction costs, the (relatively) lower expected ROI.
If the money keeps moving (the velocity of money) through progressive taxation (decreasing inequity), then more people will have access to more capital.
One reason I keep reading pg and HN (and watching crowd sourced funding) is because I'm fascinated by the effort to reduce transaction costs. I'd prefer progressive taxation. But this seems to be working too.
> All subterfuges and evasions to the contrary, the basic economic problem faced by 20th-century governments (somewhat less in the 19C; far more in the 21C) is unemployment. The cause of unemployment is simple: in an industrial economy, most human beings are economically useless. They are not productive assets at all. They are liabilities. For a brief transitional period, they could still be used as industrial robots. This period is close to its end.
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> as the Singularity nears, the future of work becomes clear - there is an IQ threshold below which any human, no matter how cheap to feed, is a liability. Classic unskilled manual labor remains productive in some domains - gardening, housecleaning, and so on. Perhaps this will be true for another decade or two. It will not be true indefinitely.
It's a big problem all right, and we'll start to face it for realz by the end of this decade, IMO.
Sadly we very rarely see candidates in set A and even less so of set B.
The problem is a lot of people need to be retrained, since things are changing so fast, and their jobs aren't lasting their whole lifetime, like they used to. And I think neither the government, nor the private education sector is properly equipped to handle that yet, nor are they making much progress in that. But they need to, and soon, because this is only going to get "worse" (for the people who aren't trained for the new types of jobs).
This is just machines and automation "disrupting" human jobs, which means us humans need to keep moving "up market" (doing stuff machines can't easily do yet, which tends to involve right-brain type of jobs). But it's only a matter of time before the machines/automation catches up to us there, too.
Hopefully, by that point, we'll be having a society where food is easily and very cheaply created by "replicators" for everyone, and it will be a society where money has less importance, and we don't need to "work for a living" anymore, and we can just be free to follow our passions.
I think all of this will happen in five decades to a century, but it will be a very tough ride, as we try to quickly adapt and keep pace with technology, as we try to make a living.
Or AI could take over singularity style.
I don't know why you assume the future will be better than the past. So far it honestly seems more like computers and robots have created a situation where most of the middle class is now useless to society. We seem to be reverting back to a system where there is only an upper class and a massive pool of peasants. For us to really replace the higher end of the workforce will require a singularity type of event.
Of all the possible futures it really takes a lot of optimism to not see some kind of dystopia.
Just look at the current privacy situation. Look at what the NSA is doing. Look at how google and facebook have been allowed to build a massive database of every action that we engage in with technology, and they are then allowed to sell it to 3rd parties without most people even knowing they do this and sharing none of the profits with us for selling our information. That is the reality of the future. Add largely automated robot armies and much more powerful systems of control plus finite resources.
50 years there were full blown dictatorships in Europe and South America, dozens of millions were dieing in China, and Soviet officials in submarines were blocking the launch of nuclear missils. Oh, and Vietnam war, Kent State, etc.
70 years ago we were in a world war, smashing half of Europeu to pieces and blowing up full cities in Japan, plus, you know, the holocaust.
80 years ago there was the Great Depression, and all of its effects. My grandmother, in an western European country, lived without electricty, running water, education and barely enough food.
And this is just a self- serving European perspective written in five minutes; there were plenty of horrors I probably don't even know about.
The NSA? it doesn't come even close.
The key word here is "relative to them". On the other hand, if history is the judge, then the people living in relative poverty will still be vastly richer than most people alive today.
Dystopia? That depends on how strongly one feels envy. Personally, I can enjoy driving my flying car and stem cell therapy until age 100, even if some rich guy has nanotech rejuvenation allowing him to live to 1000 on his spaceship.
What are your thoughts? I'd like to pick apart this issue.
[1] http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-07-16-youtube-... [2] http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press_Releases/2010/6/comSc...
There are two main drawbacks to this alternative view. Firstly, there will still be restrictions in place of physical resources (not everyone would be able to setup a mining company, for example), which will govern who can compete. Secondly, there would be limits on how many companies in a certain sector could be sustained. At some point I hope we resolve these issues by moving beyond personal greed.
In an automated economy, where businesses are easily scaled if you own capital, the amazon example could apply everywhere.
Speaking personally, Amazon is my go to source when I don't know much about what I'm buying, and just want something half decent. The reviews and the speed of checkout are Amazon's strengths for me. They're not necessarily the best on price, and if I research further I tend to find better products elsewhere too.
Whether we have this culture shift away from large retailers is up to us. We get what we deserve.
automation != computerization (digitization)
Automatization is reworking processes to remove judgement. Simplification.
The systems I work on are all computerized. They are definitely not automated. Huge amount of human intervention, decisions, and judgement every day.
You can tell yourself whatever you want, but that won't close the massive gap between your perspective and actual reality.