Still, the point here is not about sexism, but about (as you mentioned) idiots being on stage presenting something they had to keep for themselves or for their local meetups.
Tell me that this is not sexist?
https://mobile.twitter.com/HateYouCards/status/3767351904348...
I appreciate that porn (hard, soft or just this smut) is a business too, but is that the business that techcrunch is in?
For some only. That's the point.
Fuck cencorship. The freedom to offend is more important.
But I do know for a fact that some women, in fact some people do not find them funny. Which is what I did say.
Don't joke about anything that anybody could possibly get offended at?
Furthermore, even if you could prove that - percentage has nothing to do with it. That is a completely arbitrary qualifier. Offending people is a birth given right. Get over it.
What the fuck does that even mean?
> Given the response that occurred in the media and in general...
The media is your measuring stick? The same media that regularly objectifies women in your opinion? That's rich. You should probably go think about that some more.
You and all the whiners just like you are the ones complaining about tit jokes, so you prove it.
In my opinion? Citation needed.
> You and all the whiners just like you
Sweeping generalisation.
So to be clear, you're saying that there's no fuss being made, and also it's being made by "whiners"?
Why not just tell me the truth instead of asking me to cite you on your own opinion?
(I just can't imagine that you think "the media" is any better than this titstare app. Have you watched TV before?)
> Given the response that occurred in the media and in general...
So no, it's not a derailing tactic. And if you didn't notice, this thread is three pages to the right. There's nothing to derail.
When you're having a conversation in person, do you accuse them of being a Troll and derailing the conversation when they respond to your ridiculous assertions?
Give me a fucking break. This is like arguing with a three year old. OK fine, you can have the last word if it's so important to you. I've already torn apart every single point you think you've made, so fuck off.
Presenting it was not an act of discrimination or hate. It was inconsiderate and possibly both crude and dumb.
It's inconsiderate, because it could potentially make some members of the audience uncomfortable or self-aware. This would not be a concern if you knew the comportment of your audience. Snoop Dogg doesn't present himself or his content the same way on David Letterman that he does at a concert.
Someone being uncomfortable with your content doesn't invalidate it nor does your taking their discomfort into consideration in either content or presentation.
It shows that you are a mature human being with empathy.
Men are doing it anyway and there's nothing wrong with that either.
I think you will have to accept that many people hold a exactly opposite opinion on that point.
I think that we can agree that there are poorly formed opinions on display here.
> I say offend them even more until THEY accept that not everyone agrees with them.
Someone's throwing their toys around today.
> Someone's throwing their toys around today?
How so? By pointing out your illogical stance?
Hell no. This is standard derailing junk. It goes "my freedom to be an arsehole and drive people away is just as important as other people's desire to work in an arsehole-free environment." It's childish and inconsiderate.
> How so?
I leave it to you to work out what the petulant part of "I say offend them even more" is.
That's your fucking opinion though.
> I leave it to you to work out..blah blah blah.
Oh gawd. What a fucking cop-out. Stop replying to me you chicken shit.
Misogyny is the hatred of women.
Neither word really has anything to do with being attracted to the sexuality of the other gender. Neither word really has anything to do with simply being unkind, mean, or insensitive. Unfortunately, we often seem to throw these labels on people (labels which stick and aren't too dissimilar from calling someone a racist or homophobe) when they're not really relevant. Having a poster of a sexualized woman or buying videogames with attractive women on the poster or laughing at a joke about the other gender or saying a particular person of the other gender is an idiot are -- while unkind and inconsiderate -- not generally matters of discrimination, superiority, or "hate".
Frankly, I feel we do a disservice to the value of these words in describing actual sexism and actual (but rare) misogyny by throwing them at everything under the sun that makes someone a little uncomfortable or is anything short of respectful. Of course, even suggesting that we should be more careful of our use of these words, I am now probably both of them.
What fun would a pair of tits floating in the air be? I'd rather stare at tits that are attached to a whole woman.
And I said that nobody was reduced to being just a sexual object.
No, you're right - men who see just a pair of tits think "that's all I need - nothing attached, just the tits pleaze, tyvm."
More to the point: the women are being used in a way that is completely determined by the user of the app, instead of being given any kind of consideration as people.
If I am staring at a woman's tits - I am certainly giving her whole person my consideration, even though my eyes can only look at one thing at a time. WTF would I do with just a pair of tits?
No, the reason I'm looking is that I probably want more.
This app removes the women's ability to participate in the exchange at all. They have no control and are presented in a way that is completely in control of the user. When you remove her ability to decide how her body is being used, you are not considering her as a whole person. It's not about tits.
Objectification can be a component of sexism, but in and of itself is not sexist. It is a natural part of human existence demonstrated by both genders on a regular basis in a variety of ways. It is even the entire foundation of initial human attraction. It is not inherently wrong.
Men and women dance at strip clubs. They objectify the customers and the customers objectify the strippers. Hell, my butcher is an object that gives me steak for money and that is all we know of each other. That's okay. You are not obligated to regard everyone as a whole all the time.
We need to stop asserting that every interaction with each person (real or fictional, in person or entertainment) requires a holistic appreciation of every atom of their humanity.
If you objectify all human beings, you share a common trait of sociopaths. If the entirety of your view and interaction with the other gender is based on objectification, then you are probably sexist and have serious issues to deal with. If neither of these are the case, then you are probably a normal human being.