If you can't see that here, I'm not sure what else to say to you!
If you can't see that here, I'm not sure what else to say to you!
Seems to me a lot of woman do objectify men. For example when I'm browsing the Dutch Viva forums, there are plenty of topics on so called "fuck buddies". Male friends that are not relationship material but good enough for sex.
Some topics from the last few weeks are:
* Traineeship Suriname[1]: a topic about a Dutch girl that is going for a traineeship in Suriname and she has a certain fetish for black people and is mainly interested in having sex with said people.
* Do you have a fuck buddy[2]: an inquiry of which readers from the forums have a fuck buddy.
Another example could be some Coca-Cola commercials [3][4]. Do we feel (as men) offended by how these commercials objectify our gender?
[1]: http://forum.viva.nl/forum/Seks/Stage_Suriname/list_messages...
[2]: http://forum.viva.nl/forum/Seks/Fuckbuddy/list_messages/2030...
The issue here is pretty clear cut. It wasn't appropriate for the setting in which it was presented. Nothing more. A stupid app, Cosmo magazine, pinup posters, physical attraction, and so on aren't really relevant and don't need to be inherently demonized.
Even you, as highly as you must regard every human interaction in your every moment of existence, surely deal with a great number of people on a regular basis who exist simply to perform a function that you benefit from.
As for "you can essentially do what you will with them"... I think that speaks more to you than anyone who enjoys porn, strippers, pinup posters, musicians, dancers, actors, or anyone else that they have no personal regard for. That statement is kind of like a religious person finding out that I'm an atheist and incredulously responding with "if you don't believe in god, how come you're not out raping and murdering people?!".
However, when I deal with a garbageman, I treat him with respect because I know he's a human being doing his work. I don't see him as just a garbageman, though I interact with him with that primary purpose. But I can honestly never say I've ever considered my garbageman as only "someone who makes my garbage go away". This would allow me to be an arsehole to him while he is doing his job.
Lets say you see the garbageman fall over and break his leg. I'll bet you'd call an ambulance. Congratulations if this is the case, he is no longer just someone who takes away your garbage - you have not objectified him.
I never interact with clothes models, but then I don't look at the clothes model when I look at a catalog (not consciously anyway), mostly at the clothes. If I was to interact with them, then I would hope not to treat them as just an object.
When I watch a good movie, I interact with the character the actor plays - I don't objectify the actor in this case. I knowmthenactor is acting, and appreciate them for their personality and performance.
As for strippers and porn: I've never been to a stripshow in my life, and will never do so. I've had plenty of opportunities, but have always declined. Why? I don't want to objectify the strippers. And I don't want them objectifying me as the punter.
For porn: that's something I try to avoid at all costs. Not easy.
Or some men who believed it was offensive, belittling, discouraging or isolating to women. Like myself and a bunch of others.
There is a whole spectrum out there. The word "nigger" is a term of endearment for many.
Edit: oh wait... You're saying that maybe the guys in the presentation are not reducing women to their physical bits, but actually treating them as human beings who like being treated this way? If so there is a simple way to disprove it: The women can't say "no". Since the women are not given any agency, they are not being treated as human beings but as mere objects with no control over how their bodies are used.
Instead, let's dispense with the labels or making anyone out to be bad and simply think about our moms. There are countless things that are not sexist or wrong in any capacity, whatsoever. You still wouldn't feel comfortable doing them around your mom.
If it would feel awkward around your mom, then it might not be appropriate for a lot of wider audiences. Especially where we are potentially involving a professional capacity.