Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal
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$10 billion in transactions probably turns into about 1% in fees, so we'll say revenue is about $100 million. Being generous, let's say they are running on a 30% margin. That would put profits around $30 million a year.
That's pretty good, but when you look at that number it would be a 10 year payback period at $300 million. At $1 billion, that is a 30 year payback period.
Given the $69 million in outside funding, I'm sure they are pushing for a 10x return, so $690 is probably the ballpark of the asking price. They are probably asking for $1 billion in hopes of a counter around $750 million.
If I were a company looking to acquire a merchant services provider, I would look at the cost of acquiring that $10 billion a year in transaction volume. Is it less than $1 billion? Probably. That is probably why MasterCard built this: https://www.simplify.com/commerce/ instead of dropping $1 billion to buy stripe or Braintree.
If you didn't have a big strategic need, the right price for Braintree is probably more like $200-300 million. Braintree won't sell at that valuation because they have raised too much money and it wouldn't be a big enough return.
I could see PayPal buying Braintree, just for some of the more developer focused company culture, but I don't see why Square would buy them.
My guess is Square and Stripe end up merging at some point. It almost feels inevitable.
"I'm the former CTO of Braintree and one of the founding employees. I was there when Bryan Johnson hired Bill Ready as CEO and decided to move to Chairman. The authors of the TechCrunch article were either misinformed or speculating when they said that Bryan "lost his position" and that Bill joining was a "decision made by Accel." Bryan made the decision to hire Bill and move into the Chairman role without pressure from anyone."
That said, I've also been involved in a company (as co-founder) where finding C-level execs to parade around to state that the CEO (one of my co-founders) left voluntarily would be easy enough.
Most of them wouldn't know differently either, not having been privy to the conference calls where the investors made it clear they'd find an excuse to fire him for cause and tie him up in court over his shares for the next few years if he didn't "volunteer" to take 6 months pay, put on a brave face and leave. What most of them saw was the show my co-founder put on to get the best deal possible and leave gracefully.
I'll hasten to add that I don't know this guy, so for what I know he was in the room for every conversation Bryan Johnson had with the investors at Braintree or otherwise actually did have the inside track. Just pointing out that it's also easy to think you have the inside track on these types of things without having a clue about what actually went on.
I'd rather do business with someone like Balanced, who has a larger product vision than "well paypal sucks".
I don't care how thin the margins are, I'd love to have $3B of revenue.
To put that Visa number into perspective, according to various reports Square did $15bn in transaction volume last year. So, if you use the same ratio of transaction volume to revenue (0.16%) that would put Square's revenue at $23.2mln. For what it's worth, that's probably a generous ratio, as companies like Square and Braintree are all use Chase payments tech as their processor, which itself has to pay out to Visa and other processors. So these firms' margins are likely much lower than Visa's.
As either a customer or a partner of one of these companies, I'd prefer doing business with a company that's building a base that doesn't essentially require acquisition if they can't grow to Visa's size.
Though all I know is the headline rates quoted for most common processors where <2% seems very aggressive. Who gets the other 1.95% of that?
Still, your question, "Who gets the other 1.95% of that?", is valid. My guess: the card issuers themselves, who operate the networks (Visa, MC, Amex, Discover). Throw a little on top for Chase PaymentTech and the like.
The merchant account business has higher numbers than Visa processing business.
Balanced's mission is to increase the global economy by enabling new commerce. Our current mechanism to do that is with payments [1].
So we don't actually want to build a processing company, per se, but we're finding that's the best way to accomplish our mission right now.
At some point, it's likely that we'll have to make changes to our mechanism, but until then we feel building the world's first open source payments infrastructure company [2] is a great way to accomplish our goal.
[1] https://www.balancedpayments.com/about [2] http://www.fastcolabs.com/3008944/open-company/why-i-made-my...
“Without outside capital, we have to make do with less ... Constraints are a beautiful thing because they force creativity and precision. We don’t have the resources to throw after hit-or-miss hires or strategies. Bootstrapping a business requires a different mentality. It’s taught us to be frugal, hire slowly, and exercise caution as we grew the business. While companies that take funding can do those things, people have a tendency to behave differently when it’s not their money on the line.”
This was about 1 year before they raised a massive round from NEA/Accel. From "Bootstrapped, profitable, and proud" on 37signals blog: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2800-bootstrapped-profitable-...
I sincerely hope Braintree finds a way to keep its independence and continues standing on its own. We need a degree of competition and fragmentation in all industries so these companies keep up the pace of innovation.
Every time I hear of a company being acquired, it feels like it's only a matter of time before the company is gutted or killed. It seems rare that everyone has their happy ending when it comes to acquisitions.
> According to industry sources, Braintree has been asking for $1 billion, which seems unrealistic.
It would seem that other suitors are trying to pressure Braintree to lower their target
How is Square valued at $4b and BrainTree can't sell for $1b?
Square has a bit of a different opportunity than BrainTree as they are focusing on simplifying a real-world payments platform vs online and mobile payments. There seems to be less competition and a larger market for Square vs. Braintree I think.
The value Square adds to that market is much more substantial: free POS system, mobile wallet app, promotion in their marketplace, Jack Dorsey's autographed photo, etc.
Braintree (and Stripe) target ecommerce startups. Their value-add is streamlined APIs and tailored customer service. That value-add is nice but relatively smaller and less scalable to boot. As soon as those sites get big they will negotiate for lower rates they can get from a commodity processor. No doubt the big customers in their portfolio already have and we just don't know it.
Square's got a whole world of small business to expand into, a much larger market than ecommerce startups. And their margins are more sustainable; it takes an awful lot of growth for a merchant to justify switching out all their POS systems and other Square lock-in, just to shave a few basis points off their processing rate.
Bad: Paypal as a potential suitor will make some existing and potential customers very nervous and that won't be good for customer acquisition. Other potential suitors may see other heavyweights passing on the deal as a negative.
Good: The attention may increase the pool of suitors.
The thought of forcing thousands of customers to re-enter billing information makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
This would be similar to Oracle acquiring MySQL.
if paypal acquires them, we'd probably switch to square.
I don't see how Braintree and Square are interchangeable for anything other than physical point-of-sales use cases ... which doesn't seem like Braintree's sweet spot
Braintree's business is not worth anything, they are neither innovative nor streamlined nor work as well as Stripe
Are you sure your business isn't providing "personal computer technical support"? Offering any "extended warranties" with goods your business is selling? Maintaining "quasi-cash or stored value"? Or maybe one your web site's users posted "sexually-oriented or pornographic products or services"? Stripe prohibits accepting payments "in connection" with those things.
actually looking at that list all card processors prohibit whats on that list, for example 2co one is very similar, and i doubt braintree would allow anything on it either