* > I think any reasonable person would agree that there is information states legitimately need or want to keep secret. *
Such as? Why should the state have a higher expectation of privacy than its citizens, if it's representative of them?
Such as? Why should the state have a higher expectation of privacy than its citizens, if it's representative of them?
You see, the thing is, as soon as you say "well, clearly X needs to be secret", you open the avenue for all of the unintended, unforeseen uses of said secrecy.
The only solution, as far as the state is concerned, is to have no secrets. Undercover police/intelligence work would be obviated by not defining economic and social systems which engender the kind of behaviour that mandates such in the first place.
Yes. And when they leave, abandoning the infant child that they had with a member of the protest group. Yes, that happened.
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