> I, for one, absolutely refuse to let this matter rest
So what are you doing about it?
> I allow this situation to be shuffled off the collective radar.
Voting up articles about the issue on a niche news site is not "doing something".
So what are you doing about it?
> I allow this situation to be shuffled off the collective radar.
Voting up articles about the issue on a niche news site is not "doing something".
A lot more than someone saying "let's not talk about this", that's for fucking sure.
Voting up articles about the issue on a niche news site is not "doing something".
And answering to your own post isn't really "making a point". Who claimed that's enough? Who claimed it's even a lot? How is it not better than neither doing something, nor talking about the problem?
jister was obviously being sarcastic. In kind of a facile way, I suppose, but I guess it went completely over people's heads.
> How is it not better than neither doing something, nor talking about the problem?
Because it apparently lulls some people into thinking they have done something meaningful. Talking about it endlessly here accomplishes two things: jack, and shit.
This is absolutely untrue. The longer it is kept in the public consciousness, outside of a government frame, the better. Talking about it with your grandmother is useful.
HN is not the "public consciousness".
(Of course if you were just diffusing the "We're such a important and powerful part of the world" type of attitude that seems prevalent on reddit and seems to be implied by pessimizer's comment, go for it)
And this is worse than not even wanting to do something meaningful, or anything at all? Nonense.
Talking about it endlessly here accomplishes two things: jack, and shit.
Talking about it "endlessly" is just another strawman, right now we're talking about discussing it at all, vs. discussing it not at all, because realizing in what belly people live is not interesting enough for some.pond.
If talk achieved nothing, corrupt authority throughout history including today, wouldn't be so fucking terrified of it, they would dare to shut up for a second, and let the "narrative" unfold itself, instead of being dictated. The emperor is naked, and collectively realizing that is not only half the battle, it's 90%. Unless you're suggesting to go off and just assassinate people, which would backfire, I don't see what one could do without talking about it: Before anything can be done, people need to be aware, and once they're aware, what will be done will also depend on them.
Keeping this issue alive and at the forefront of the collective mindset is doing something.
I didn't assume that, I asked.
> Keeping this issue alive and at the forefront of the collective mindset is doing something.
Not really. Everyone here knows about the issue and has an opinion about it already. I would really hope that, like you, most of us have acted on it (I called mine rather than writing), but it's a pretty small group, all things considered, and basically an echo chamber for issues like this. To really do something, people need to "get out of the building", to borrow a phrase.
I'm sorry, I'm in a bad mood. As an European, all I can do is upvote these articles and donate to the EFF...