How A 'Deviant' Philosopher Built Palantir, A CIA-Funded Data-Mining Juggernaut
forbes.com
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>“How could it be the case that this person is cofounder and CEO since 2005 and the company still exists?” The answer dates back to Karp’s decades-long friendship with Peter Thiel,
>Thiel had cofounded PayPal and sold it to eBay in October 2002 for $1.5 billion.
>Enter Karp, whose Krameresque brown curls, European wealth connections and Ph.D. masked his business inexperience.
And thus we enter the Establishment's presentation of hippie-cum-suit stories, presenting data miners for the Man as rock stars [1]. Sound familiar? It's the same story that worked on the baby boomer generation. "First I was a hippie, then I was a stock broker, now I am a hippie again."
[1] Let's see them give the token opposing community activist on page 4 the same photography treatment instead of photographing him on the margins of the frame so he looks even more obese and distended.
Yes, this really bothers me as well. We should believe in the power this tool has, and that should cause us to be afraid. Biz-mag dorks are always going to eat up such things, but who cares about that. The adulation by people who seem like they should know better is what rankles.
The idea of a brilliant government agent who understands science, math, and law and who frequently has to skirt the murky waters of government intrigue is kind of a sexy zeitgeist in America.
these jobs and these companies are cool. You want to work for them. You want to be cool.
reality's a bitch, son. sorry.
Living in the Valley, that one struck home with me, was hard to stop laughing. Aura of danger and secrecy... Dragging with you a 6ft+ 270lb ex-Marine bodyguard _conspicuously_ in Palo Alto. Friday night on University: I'm Dork, James Dork. Well, everybody has his own way to overcompensate.
It's technologically damn cool, regardless of your take on a Forbes writer's take on one employee. If someone watches their demos or tours their offices and doesn't walk out at least slightly giddy, they're either paranoid of the solutions or ignorant of the problems. Or both.
i guess this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6209907 explains maximalism and arrogance of your statements. As i said - "cool" stimuli for young males.
What makes them cool is the fact that their products solve actual problems (and create some, sure) instead of selling ads or trying to conquer to-do lists. Also for me as a designer, I like their product development structure and cycle.
I guess it would take more than a Forbes article-worth of exposure for you to see something appreciable.
yes, The Pitch that youth is falling so easily prey for. Any country, any historic period. The great lie of this pitch only smartest(or luckiest) among us understand from the start, and it takes many years for the rest of us to understand it.
Just because you can get drunk on the tech power of the NSA doesn't mean you're right.
Oh, nothing. Okay.
And according to Palantir - had the NSA used them more widely, Snowden would never have happened.
Also, let's not forget that Palantir helps the FBI infiltrate and attempt to destroy domestic political groups like Occupy.
It's hard to say that any decentralized organization 'failed,' exactly. Changing the national conversation isn't exactly failure. But it wasn't outright insurrection either.
And regardless of failure die to internal issue, the executive branch paying money for intel on how to disrupt political groups isn't cool.
For those who missed the reference, it refers to the all-seeing stone used by the (spoiler!) evil wizard Sarumon.
Depending on your political persuasion, you may find that to be a very fitting name. But I'm surprised that the founders would have chosen it.
“If we as a democratic society believe that license plates in public trigger Fourth Amendment protections, our product can make sure you can’t cross that line”
The majoritarian argument - That's a popular one amongst libertarians /s.
On the other hand, Jimmy Wales considers himself an Objectivist... I guess, forget the mumbo-jumbo and judge people by their works?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_%28making_excus...
It's not hard. Self-interest and/or the desire to avoid trouble are powerful motivators. Ideology is much less so. If the two conflict, we find ways to bend the ideology to fit, even if to an outside observer it looks like we've turned it completely inside out.
It gets even easier when the outside forces that are compelling us to go along give us pre-written rationalizations for doing so. "You're serving your country." "You're stopping terrorists from hurting innocent people." All we have to do then is just decide to not think about the rationalization we've chosen too hard.
-Benjamin Franklin
I'm not sure that story survives outside a vacuum, but there you have it.
Palantir’s privacy and civil liberties team created an
ethics hotline for engineers called the Batphone: Any
engineer can use it to anonymously report to Palantir’s
directors work on behalf of a customer they consider
unethical. As the result of one Batphone communication,
for instance, the company backed out of a job that involved
analyzing information on public Facebook pages. Karp has
also stated that Palantir turned down a chance to work with
a tobacco firm, and overall the company walks away from as
much as 20% of its possible revenue for ethical reasons.> He goes on to argue that even Palantir’s founders don’t quite understand the Palantiri seeing stones in The Lord of the Rings . Tolkien’s orbs, he points out, didn’t actually give their holders honest insights. "The Palantiri distort the truth," he says. And those who look into them, he adds, "only see what they want to see."
it is beyond creepy, Stasi/KGB could only dream about it.
From the article: "I have directed the company to sever any and all contacts with HB Gary," said the CEO of Palantir.
A Palantir user at a bank can, in seconds, see connections between a Nigerian
Internet protocol address, a proxy server somewhere within the U.S. and
payments flowing out from a hijacked home equity line of credit, just as
military customers piece together fingerprints on artillery shell fragments,
location data, anonymous tips and social media to track down Afghani
bombmakers.The stable state we'll probably reach is a more extreme version of what Karp mentions: next to zero privacy, but also high levels of transparency into the operations of our authorities, and, as a result of both, much more cultural acceptance of "deviancy".
Their civil liberties controls seem like a fairly sane attempt to smooth out the transition to that sort of society (but admittedly of unclear effectiveness). They're trying to avoid a detour into a totalitarian police state while our laws and cultural norms catch up with the reality of our growing data collection and data mining capabilities.
Edit: To clarify the logic of my first sentence above: if we keep voting out elected officials who fail to stop terrorist attacks (which are almost always disproportionately sensational compared to their actual death tolls), we're basically evolving our set of politicians into people who will stop at nothing to prevent them.
You are kidding yourself. How about zero privacy for citizens and no transparency and not accountability for government?? I could fall under why they don't share it with me and you, civilians, but they don't even share it with congressmen, judges and anyone else in-between.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/asked-if-justice-department-is-sp...
(bit old) http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2008/rohr022608.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57423389-10391695/gove...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eric+holder+refu...
This makes it easier to pretend to ourselves that what we do is not tied up with the human costs in those places. It's easy to not think about something you never see.
Really?
So at the height of the next privacy/NSA/Snowden debates, I guess, I should expect society to be vigorously defending the privacy rights of the next Anthony Wiener.
Yup I am sure that day will come.
Sounds like parent doesn't get much human contact.
(Not a fan of the sarcasm and ad hominem, by the way.)
And to your main point, the tech is inevitable cause its finally viable. As to its success, I'm highly doubtful for two reasons-
1) There is a cost to transparency - both to individuals and organizations. Once the cost is felt, information will stop flowing as freely as it does today.
2) Just because there is a machine that can digest unlimited information and produce a list of threats doesn't mean unlimited resources exists to address all of them, not to mention address them effectively. Whether it was the boston bombings or the wall street meltdown both events happened despite information being available. Just as economics in the end, reduced nuclear arsenals economics will limit the size and scope of these machines.
I really don't see us reaching any stable state with zero privacy and high transparency levels. Though I can see why a Zuckerberg, Schmidt or Karp might see that. It aligns well with what they do.
It would be amazing if Palantir was a 5-10x better tool for CIA, but came with non-overridable limits which actually protected individual liberty (of US citizens and non-citizens).
There are certain things Palantir can be used for which are essentially purely good -- identifying disease outbreaks, other potential environmental danger, etc. -- which they will hopefully emphasize.
Sorry but I cannot admire that.
Sorry for the snark, but I call BS on glorification of a technology company that so far has not done anything but strip away almost everyone's privacy.
Fat comfort in that.
Is this the narrative that needs to be sold now?
(I say this as someone who is in favor of immediate legalization of MJ, and decriminalization of all other drugs, with extensive treatment available for addiction or sub-optimal drug use.)
I'm not saying they're a saving grace, nor that there aren't potential/real problems with what they're doing, but your comment is just patently false.
It is the reading, or rather the reading-between-the-lines, that makes my mood bad.
Now get off my lawn.
But some people will never learn. Fortunately, he decided not to have kids.
Or are you talking about his development of chemical weapons? Surely, they weren't as devastating as nuclear weapons which were developed by an astonishing array of celebrated scientists.
Who were all working under the fear that Nazi scientists would develop it first and give it to Adolf Hitler. It's hard to fault them morally for thinking that it would be best for someone else to get to it first.
If you're a scientist in, say, 1942, when all of Europe from Spain to Moscow is under Hitler's control, and then someone comes to you and tells you he's working on an atomic bomb, should that prospect not scare you?
Almost all of the scientists who made the A-bomb (with a few notable exceptions like Edward Teller, who never met a bomb he didn't like) agonized over the morality of it. Many organized after the Nazi threat had receded to try and put the genie back in the bottle. It's a smear to categorize them as "good Germans" who were just using Hitler as an easy way to rationalize away unjustifiable behavior.
In the similar vein, Mr. Karp ponders loss of privacy at the end. By the very tools he helped to develop.
Current data mining techniques take in massive amounts of similar data and output a parsed signal. Palantir takes in massive amounts of data, preserves all of it, allows their FDEs and clients to hand-draw ontological connections between dissimilar pieces of data, and outputs a gigantic raw data object. Palantir is one of the few entities with the technical know-how and infrastructure to make this gigantic object manipulatable on any old computer or phone.
Where other miners might bring you a gold ring (which may or may not be the right fit for your finger at the time!), Palantir brings you a cart full of raw gold and a map back to the mine shaft. From there you can do whatever you want.