You broke the Internet. We're making ourselves a GNU one [video]
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We don't need more tools, we need tools that non-geeks can use. For example, ten years ago, I worked at a company with a policy to use PGP with Symantec PGP software installed on PCs. Even the engineers sill failed to use it regularly. On several occasions I had to use logmein because the other company's IT department was incapable of setting up PGP for their own users. Ten years later and the Ask Slashdot is how get someone to send them their public key. http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/08/10/0028235/ask-slashdot-....
I only have 2 contacts that I can use PGP to communicate with. Usability is the issue. Unfortunately most GNU Projects have never excelled in this area. It's too bad Mozilla dropped support for Thunderbird. Tight integration with GnuPG + a Mozilla cloud Public key directory could have made mainstream PGP a reality.
And then of course, this only "solves" the email problem, unlike darknet solutions.
The only issue is that Google would have to ensure you're creating the private key as "locally" and securely as possible, without them being able to copy that key to their servers when they're creating them. That might be very tricky, while still remaining convenient, and they may have to allow for independent audits so we can make sure they aren't transmitting the data.
Enigmail seems to work well. At least as far as I can tell, I haven't had much of a chance to use it as I don't know anybody that uses PGP either.
I used to work at a very large, publicly held company. When I got my new laptop, I realized the PGP whole disc encryption was blocking one of my video cards so I could only run one monitor with my laptop.
After asking around, I soon realized exactly none of the engineers had PGP installed on their PC's. I was pretty surprised when I was told they simply asked for a clean install with nothing on their laptops and the IT people gave them what they wanted - a completely unsecured laptop with which they could customize to their own specifications.
As shocking as it seemed, I was told by several of the team members that the IT support staff allowed it because they "trusted" the software engineers not to install sketchy stuff and thought they could keep their stuff more secure than say a PM.
I think back now and wonder why they would take such a huge security risk.
Why? Suppose someone comes up with these tools for the non tech-savvy, and the internet is "fixed". Now the evil government would no longer be able to spy on innocent citizens and obtain private information for its nefarious purposes, whatever those may be. Would people stop being so easily manipulated by private corporations' campaigns and will no longer surrender their private information so willingly? After all, much more information is yielded voluntarily due to deceitful corporate propaganda than due to clandestine government surveillance. How are tools going to help with that? Will tools educate the public of the ways Google and Facebook use private information to exploit their users?
We don't need more tools. We need politics. We need laws to regulate both government and corporate aggregation and handling of private information.
Sure, but I don't think the "why bother when another obstacle stands in the way?" argument is a good one.
We have also seen that secret laws make regulation difficult since public oversight is not possible without government transparency; your final paragraph seems to imply current-situation + politics = trust in government and no need for privacy software.
Privacy software will be needed when criminal electronic surveillance becomes prevalent (as it will, some day soon). But the way it's presented now plays into the hands of those who wish to use the NSA fiasco (which, to be sure, it is) to hide a much more serious problem. It's not a solution — it's a diversion.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/no-this-isnt-a-scene...
What about the MAC addresses that Google gathered when driving around for street view? What about data that software gathers on your PC or mobile devices without your knowing, or location data that is made available to mobile carriers and law enforcement simply by the act of communicating with a cell phone tower? What of spyware/maleware, etc?
Even so, the "leaked private information [...] given voluntarily to corporations" is very different than dragnet surveillance. There is no way to know as of yet exactly how much information has been gathered through such programs, but recent revelations suggest startling amounts of data that are far more invasive and vast than anything that could ever be leaked: more information than the NSA is capable of processing, as mentioned in the Guardian's XKeyscore revelation article.
So, no; not 0.1%.
> But the way it's presented now plays into the hands of those who wish to use the NSA fiasco (which, to be sure, it is) to hide a much more serious problem.
I don't see how suggesting software to help limit the scope of surveillance does anything to hide the underlying problem. If anything, it brings action upon it and suggests that users will not stand for being surveilled in this manner.
Great, so we can say that far more information flows to corporations, voluntarily or involuntarily, than to the government. And privacy software won't help with most of the cases you mentioned.
> There is no way to know as of yet exactly how much information has been gathered through such programs, but recent revelations suggest startling amounts of data that are far more invasive and vast than anything that could ever be leaked: more information than the NSA is capable of processing, as mentioned in the Guardian's XKeyscore revelation article.
I would still venture to say that Google analyses (if not collects) far more private information than the NSA, and unlike the NSA, Google uses that information all the time.
> I don't see how suggesting software to help limit the scope of surveillance does anything to hide the underlying problem. If anything, it brings action upon it and suggests that users will not stand for being surveilled in this manner.
Because, it's like having an awareness campaign after a horrible home-invasion that encourages people to dig moats in their back yards, and all the while their kids are letting strangers in through the front door. It's saying, there's a privacy issue, and here it is, while it's somewhere else completely. A classic diversion.
And the same tools can be used to fight both. Tor for example, allows you to hide your IP, and various browsers and tools prevent you from accidentally leaking private information to identify you to these websites. Secure operating systems and programs protect you from private hackers and adware just as much as they do from government hackers.
Really? Look around and tell me how that's been working out for you lately.
The top priorities of any human organization, regardless of nature or origin, are: (1) survival, (2) growth, and (3) expansion of influence.
The only way to solve the politics problem is to solve the people problem. In the US we have generations of fat & happy sheep, living off the short-term benefits of inflated currency and credit bubbles, blissfully and willfully ignorant of what goes on around them, so long as they don't miss an episode of American Idol.
So excuse my cynicism, but good luck with that.
Well, it's far from perfect, but you've got clean water, highways, research grants, gay marriage in some states, a national healthcare plan that's a good start — all in all, it's pretty good. I don't see why regulation over private data aggregation would be any harder than healthcare. Sure, Google's lobbyists would work hard against it, and would probably succeed in watering down, and I don't have high hopes for breaking-up Google just yet, but it would do to raise awareness.
> In the US we have generations of fat & happy sheep, living off the short-term benefits of inflated currency and credit bubbles, blissfully and willfully ignorant of what goes on around them, so long as they don't miss an episode of American Idol.
All the more reason to try and educate people on how they're being exploited by corporations.
This is why Bitmessage is so promising. Everything is encrypted and anonymous by default. The PGP/GPG setup is a huge barrier. With Bitmessage you just need to install it and it just works.
That is not true.
From the white paper [0] under section 6:
> We propose that nodes store all objects for two days and then delete them.
It's also on the FAQ[1]:
> Yes. However, if you go offline then they must come back online within 2 days of the message being sent. Nodes delete data, and do not accept data, older than 2 days.
The sender will not delete the message until it's received an acknowledge from the receiver. It instead will recompute the proof of work and resend in an exponential growing interval. This is also in section 6 of [0].
> If a node is offline for more than two days, the sending node will notice that it never received an acknowledgement and rebroadcasts the message after an additional two days. It will continue to rebroadcast the message, with exponential backoff, forever.
[0] https://bitmessage.org/bitmessage.pdf
[1] https://bitmessage.org/wiki/FAQ#Can_I_send_a_message_to_some...
> ...all users receive all messages...
It would be trivial to modify the BM client to archive/save all messages it receives.
(I know bitmessage has some different security properties than gpg+email -- but I think we'll all agree that if everyone and everything switched to email+gpg we'd be in a much better place from a security/privacy standpoint than we are now).
You're right that the UI is dated. But the code is good, with a clean, well-documented library interface. It's probably the best starting point available to build a friendly-looking layer on top of.
In what way? The startups wouldn't exist because the founders can't handle the tools? Or, are you saying they wouldn't exist because there wouldn't be huge markets of people sharing cats pictures.
The more I think about it, both cases could both be correct, seeing how many people who call themselves developers would find it impossible to write a line of code if they didn't have eclipse....
I see it provides file sharing and vpn.
VPN will fix some ISP level tracking issues.
Private file sharing will protect some cloud surveillance and limiting laws.
This is great, to minimise surveillance. It's nice to be able to share files properly, but it's not my "typical" internet usage (neither it's on my family members). It's nice to be able to go out through a sane VPN.
Still I miss important things to fix my "internet":
* DNS and search. * Email service. * Browser.
These are my main problems today. I can workaround my ISP when I want, and I can share files in the way I like... but I see the problem in my previous 3 points.
Also I wish so many interesting initiatives could be separated of the "pirate" "trademark".
It's not a problem for me, but I think it's not a proper "image" for general purpose projects, just because of how people brain works in "general" (in special people not literate about what this really is).
Nice talks, and thanks for the link.
If you're using OSX or that wacky hybrid kernel system from Redmond, WA, You're basically screwed anyway because your endpoints are compromised from day one.
Here's the thing, if you jump at every convenience then blame people working on the vast and complex software required to support privacy, absolutely nobody will come to your defense.
I set my bar very low, if I can obscure the source location of my IRC and email traffic, then I'm all good; All other channels are secondary, and are not worth bursting my basic network node anonymity over if there's no other option.
On IRC I can see that you could come across adversaries on some sketchy irc networks - but, in my case, as just a random developer idling away on freenode (using a host cloak) should I really care that I'm trusting freenode?
And what about email? Is that because your ip will be visible on the mail headers if sent from localhost?
And if you're using a VPN or Tor, aren't you just displacing the trust to those providers?
Another thing I'd like to know is just how much more of a potential target you become once you use the tor network. I speculate that tor has a lot of blackhats fishing for potential targets.
If you want anonymity, privacy and security you will have to make certain compromises to your "current internet" that isn't anonymous nor private, but instant and convenient. Or you can just give up and accept having your every step in the net monitored.
Do you have a link to the paper where this was proved?
Suppose we take Tor and throw a bunch of fiber at it so that the bandwidth improves, then whenever two Tor nodes make a connection they send data at a fixed rate, sending real data when there is any and padding when there isn't. That clearly isn't "impossible" so what's the attack that works against it?
A naked insecure connection through HTTP has response times as low as 100ms coast to coast (US). This makes these connections look instant or almost instant. It's impossible to achieve neither anonymity nor encryption through a naked single connection - you need several, at the very least for AUTH - and this alone multiplies the latency vs a single connection. The problem is that the naked eye can notice the difference between 100ms and 200ms, so the experience cannot be the same. The speed of light is already significant in world-wide distances when you consider a number of hops and a minimum number of messages being necessary to ACK, AUTH and then provide some anonymity layer that hides both sides of the connection.
Anonymous, secure, encrypted random web browsing CANNOT be as fast as a naked open connection. The difference can be minimised over long transfers, but latency over many requests is always going to be several times higher.
You can make all connections theoretically so fast that even a 5-fold slow down is still "fast enough", but for many small transfers it simply cannot be done so fast that it's humanly not noticeable.
Alas, there's ALWAYS going to be a noticeable difference between open connections and hardened connections (to the standard we are talking about in this thread). A simple AUTH cannot be done so fast that a connection across the Atlantic is not humanly noticeable. And what we are talking about implies a whole lot more than that.
In addition to that, you can mask latency with caching and prefetch. Browsers could prefetch all the small content on linked pages so that by the time you click on a link the data is already on your computer. This could be helped by general purpose HTTP protocol improvements that allow a browser to know speculatively what such content will be on a page through a POST request etc. without having to actually POST anything. SPDY/HTTP 2.0 also allows asynchronous operation which is extremely good at masking round trip latency when requesting many small objects.
The post I was replying to wants casual browsing that's secure, anonymous, private and encrypted AND indistinguishable in speed from what he does without all these features. That's impossible, more requests are needed and every single connection adds noticeable lag past a certain minimum distance.
Some usage will have to be adapted and/or compromised will have to be made, or else just accept being monitored.
Overpromising is not a good policy.
The server, however, seems to be a bit overloaded at the moment. Is there a torrent somewhere? Maybe an HD torrent?
EDIT: Fist English talk starts at 4:10.
edit: Could have used a sock over the microphone.
Solutions built on top of some existing (OWNED) platform are inherently fragile until there's a private (P2P-like HAM radio to smoke signal) transfer pipe.
"Yet the reality is, governments may have to reconsider such an requirement. It may not fly today, but don't be surprised if it becomes reality in the near future. Every device connected to the Internet will have a permament license plate and without it, the network won't allow you to log in."
The point is that people have been calling for this for 10 years and it's going to happen SO why would you expect that the "Internet police" would allow you to move around in any manner (speed, intoxication level, destination, type of transport, etc.) that you see fit?
BTW, I watched the video of the conference in Germany yesterday and blogged my summary of what Richard said: http://markwatson.com/blog/2013-08/fsf-more-relevant-than-ev...
The most complete one seems to be http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/
Also see: http://secushare.org/
Sure, that's true and the advantage of Freenet and GNUnet. The flip side of the caching is of course that this comes at a cost: It takes a lot more resources to have this kind of redundancy.
RetroShare btw does let you download files anonymously from friends-of-friends etc. if the "owner" agrees to it. (You only have to know your immediate friends.)
I know RS allows TurtleHopping, which is extremely inefficient method of transferring data, compared to GNUnets solution. With GNUnet you can transfer data directly with the source anonymously, while also at the very same time creating new sources for that data.
Cryptosphere forgoes anonymous transfers and seems promising.
http://www.nimbusvid.com/mega/#!xAEGXQiD!ez8HoC-LS4m2k2YYGZP...
* Personal and family information
Or is it part of some obfuscation strategy?