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Interesting idea, great hustle, scary to repackage food in non-food facilities. You check the laws for repackaging alcohol? I'm wondering if your friendly local ATF agents will be paying a visit soon. Something to keep in mind...

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> scary to repackage food in non-food facilities.

Scary to repackage it for getting sued by everyone involved, but to be honest, not much can contaminate Vodka.

Especially the cheapest vodka they could find.

A little off-topic but in blind taste tests (I'll have to find the link) people weren't able to tell the difference between top and bottom shelf vodkas.

Pepsi challenge anyone?

I'd be very interested in that, because I would put money on me being able to tell the difference. Maybe not all top and bottom shelf vodkas, but I bet I can tell the difference between a vodka I like and a vodka I don't like. (For instance Grey Goose vs. Smirnoff)

If, every time you've ever drunk vodka, the liquids had been swapped between the bottles (or if Grey Goose was cheaper than Smirnoff and everyone always went on about how bad Grey Goose is, and how great Smirnoff is) would you perhaps prefer the Smirnoff taste, and still be able to tell the difference?

Certainly anyone who can't tell the difference between vodkas hasn't drunk much vodka (obviously some may be very similar to each other). I suspect the testing grandparent is thinking of would show that price does not correlate with quality, not that they are all equally good. I'm not a vodka expert (my taste sounds similar to yours, in that I prefer GG over Smirnoff, and a couple of others, but I don't drink it often), but I'm pretty big on wine and whisky, both of which it's very much the case that price doesn't always correlate to quality.

I suspect the testing grandparent is thinking of would show that price does not correlate with quality

Correct. Of course there was a difference in taste, but it was clearly within statistics that there was no correlation between favorite to least favorite and most expensive to least expensive (top-self vs bottom-shelf).

That said, I am not a Vodka drinker although my wife is. She has tried them all and prefers Svedka currently for it's taste and price.

Can you ask her for me: do high priced vodkas taste, on average, nicer than cheaper ones?

In wine I think that is not the case, at least in personal experience, and I believe research agrees with me though don't have sources for that. Champagne less so... I do prefer more expensive for that.

Whisky (single malt scotch, to be precise) I do think that on average, more expensive is nicer. Not to the extent that I would always buy more expensive if I don't know two bottles, and there are plenty of examples of cheaper being better (some of my favourites are in the £40-£60 range), but the higher end of the price range opens up some fantastic drinks as well, and typically the 5-10 bottles I have at home will range from £40 up to £500, because I personally think some are worth that. Whereas I'd never go that high with wine, unless I wanted to drink it purely for the sake of drinking something expensive. (Of course, a bottle of scotch lasts longer than a bottle of wine, but.. I'd never spend £60 on a bottle of wine at shop cost, and most of the time drink £5-£20 bottles.)

Vodka is a pretty unique beast with respect to alcohols. It's defined as 'colorless, odorless, and tasteless' alcohol. While the tasteless part is not necessarily true, other alcohols are specifically designed for taste, which means that the different tastes of wine, whiskey, tequila, etc., are important aspects and can require more time and cost to make - and thusly cost more.

Bottom shelf tequila is bad, no blind taste test is going to prove otherwise. However, if you are just going to be mixing it into a margarita to get people lubricated, it's probably fine.

Whiskey is generally just drank chilled over ice or stones (or nothing), so flavor matters greatly.

While that's what vodka is often thought of, most people (of people I know, 100%) who have tried vodka at least once will say that they dislike the taste of either some or all vodkas. And there are certainly vodkas that I like the taste of (though admittedly, not enough that it's a drink of choice for me). Most of the time that I drink vodka now it would be with an energy drink, and in that mix I can still like or dislike the vodka. But generally I won't care too much after a few drinks, and if I'm drinking vodka redbulls then chances are the first few drinks will flow quickly.

Whisky, like vodka, if mixed (say a whisky and coke) is very noticeable what the taste is - though I'm not a fan of this at all, as I consider it a waste of whisky if it's good, and an inferior drink to other mixers if it isn't.

Have to say that when drinking cocktails (as opposed to mixers) I've never paid too much attention to the specifics of the spirits in them.

Here's a couple articles that are talking about blind-tests either they did or from someone else. I've seen better articles with more test details but I can't seem to find them again.

The New York Times similarly blind taste-tested 21 vodkas. Grey Goose and Ketel One failed to finish in the top 10. The winner? Smirnoff. The lowest priced vodka placed highest. [1]

[1] http://spectator.org/archives/2013/05/24/vodkavodkavodka

[2] http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2008-05-23/worlds-best-v...

[3] http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Consumer/storynew?id=3201973&page...

Smirnoff is nowhere near the cheapest vodka. That's not a bottom shelf vodka. It is literally not on the bottom shelf of liquor stores. C.f. Popov vodka for literally _half_ the price of Smirnoff (and literally on the bottom shelf). Popov, by the way, is undrinkable.

Any vodka which is twice as expensive as another vodka cannot be called "bottom shelf."

I looked over those articles, and they really didn't scrape the bottom of the barrel. Speaking authoritatively as a Russian (heh), I think -all- vodka tastes like rubbing alcohol filtered to remove anything that might resemble redeeming qualities. This is proper: vodka is supposed to be repeatedly distilled with no head added back in afterward: it's supposed to basically be distilled alcohol and water (with some aficionados claiming you can taste the underlying whatever, but I think they're full of shit).

But - but! - the cheapest stuff I've found to date, which I used as an ethanol extraction solvent - was absolutely and identifiably different. Not due to flavor, merely, but clearly due to inferior distillation processes. How can I tell?

Because no other vodka burned my esaphogus and stomach so long, or with so much intensity. It was like eating coal, and chasing it with lava.

I bought this stuff at 11$ for a handle, and if you put a gun to my head, I wouldn't drink it again.

Yes, if someone passed me that stuff at a bar, I would know.

From my chemistry background I know you could extract anything with solvents but I didn't realize that you would use that method to get a potable alcohol! I don't doubt you would be able to taste the difference.

Sorry, I didn't mean that I was using ethanol extraction to make alcohol. I mean that I bought the cheapest vodka I could find to use it as the ethanol for an ethanol extraction. I was actually using it to make vanilla extract, which is absurdly overpriced when you buy it normally (buy 25$ worth of vanilla bean, stick it in the cheapest vodka you can find, and put it in your freezer for 3 mos. Strain.)

This is strange, because you definitely are able to. The better vodka's quality, the smoother and less smelly it is. Another thing is that your "top-shelf vodka" could be sourced from the same barrel, but use different brand.

My best experience so far was with moonshine actually. It was properly distilled and treated and was an absolute delight to drink.

Thanks! If we were transferring milk I might be a little more concerned, but we sterilized everything in the dishwasher beforehand, and were using vodka to keep it extra-sterile ;)

Alcohol labelling laws are much more stringent than food labelling laws. Good luck, dude. I hope you don't have charges pressed against you.

Consumer dishwashers do not standardize to a commercial standard. I have a pretty nice new dishwasher at home with a "sterilization" feature but there's a warning on the control panel that says that it won't achieve commercial standards.

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