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a couple quotes come to mind:

- 1984 - "War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength ,Freedom is Slavery"

- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

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- Yuri Bezmenov - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo

I find it really sad when people REFUSE to believe this guy, but he said himself people would not believe him anyway :(

Here in Brazil, this plan was also implemented, part of it for example was the creation of our no-fault divorce laws with help of TV Soap Operas.

Later, the author of the soap opera that pushed for no-fault divorce (and indeed, it worked, no-fault divorce was made law in the same year as his soap opera) made even a book writing on how he is a communist and how he uses TV to manipulate society toward communist objectives, and even if you point Yuri interview and this guy book, people refuse to believe it, they think that society changed because it was 100% their choice and that the changes were 100% good and whoever say the opposite is crazy.

  > he said himself people would not
  > believe him anyway

This is proof of nothing:

  I know that most people will call me a crack-pot
  and few will believe me, but hear this: The Moon
  Is Made of Cheese!

Your comment appears to half 'attack' the commenter above and half 'attack' Bezmenov, while not saying much. If the use of 'crack-pot' was in reference to Bezmenov, I reccommend first watching his longer (hour-plus) classroom talk from the early 80s, also on Youtube. The main message and content is clear enough, and saying the current empire will fall is far from saying 'the moon is made of cheese'.

1) I wasn't intending to attack Bezmenov. I haven't heard his message, so I can't pass any kind of judgement/opinion on it.

2) My intent was to lodge my dislike of statements such as:

  People don't believe X, but it's ok because X said
  that no one would believe him/her.

I viewed it (possibly falsely) as using lack of belief as validation of the message itself. [ This can be done even if the messenger didn't intend for the audience to use his/her statements this way, so it's not necessarily an attack against him/her. ]

3) It (to me) has similarities to statements like:

  <statement 1> is true! <opposing group> might try
  to distract you by saying <statement 2>, but don't
  believe them because it's all lies!

[ Note: I'm not saying that Bezmenov made any such statements, or that such statements are in his character. ]

I understand. Thank you for the response.

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