The mystery of Google+
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Once per day, humans wake up and find themselves in its meticulously-constructed parallel universe, doing things as ordinary humans do on other websites. Their activities, such as appreciating music and searching for lovers, feel familiar, necessary and meaningful, but at the same time, the unsettling atmosphere prevents the existential questions from settling deeply repressed where they should be. Instead, we're left wondering, "Why are we doing this here?" Isn't there something better? Is there a Shell Beach out there somewhere? Couldn't I just do this all myself on 1999-style website and live a more natural life?
Successful, albeit defunct, networks like MySpace work b/c above and beyond, they were passionate about connecting people with things they want. e.g. music... at all costs! Facebook reassures you that you dodged a bullet when you didn't marry your high school sweetheart. Google Plus just screams "use me. use me. use me for... everything or anything.. so that... um... so that google can keep track of what's hip and make money while I don't." There's no soul or love deep at the bottom.
There's a whole lot more I could say about passion, sacrifice, vulnerability, and empty vs. full cabinets, but I have a customer to service now, so I'll leave you with this hint: Germick is onto something with the google doodles. Hire me as a consultant if you really want to pick my brain.
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There are other problems. Tagline? Bragging Rights? Skills? Links? Is G+ a page for socializing or a resume?
I simply cannot fathom why some people in the tech industry think that G+ is in any way a viable competitor to Facebook. Outside of the tech bubble, its usage is nonexistent and unhelpful. It is cluttered with things people don't want, and it lacks some of the basic things people DO want.
I think they're aiming to be the social network for hobbyists, not the social network for dating or for employment or for spamming or whatever that other networks focus on.
I might actually use G+ if it were use-able. I have joined two groups, purely because people migrated there from Usenet, and every time I want to check whats what in these groups I come away wishing I hadn't bothered. Good job the one I most care about is a slow burner.
So, for me the biggest barrier is the UI.
Let's say you've got a classic oversharer in your Aunt Sally. It's uncouth to ignore her entirely, as sometimes she does post things you need/want to be aware of, if for no other reason than to reduce family stress.
On Facebook, there's just a steady peppering of her stuff in all the other posts. On Google+, you can shunt her off into a "noisy" circle and deal with her posts maybe once a week.
But there-in lies the rub: any given dull Facebook session you can click on an Aunt Sally link -- they're always right in front of you. But on Google+ even if you've got 5 minutes to kill on a random link, clicking over to the "noisy" circle carries a mental obligation to not just find a link, but actually do the chore of scanning her aggregated posts to see if there was anything in there about your Uncle's knee surgery or the family reunion.
So you generally don't do it. Or, if you do, you're not concentrating on the random links, you're dealing with the chore of sorting the pile, and the random links still aren't getting clicked.
And the flip side is that when you construct circles for your own sharing, you may think you're sparing your gear-head uncle bob from all your links to computing articles, not realizing that he actually did read them from time to time on Facebook.
Though this explanation does raise the question of "was the lost traffic actually valuable?" as your killing 5 minutes on an Aunt Sally post, or Uncle Bob skimming an anti-Facebook rant are certainly going to be page-views, they're unlikely to have resulted in any sales or ad-clicks.
But it's what the people whom I know to use Google+ do. The "Aunt Sally chore" is almost a literal anecdote from one of them.
I admit that the idea gets a little clunky when you have to take into account "I want to make a post that only people in my X circle can see", but I don't see why that couldn't be worked in somehow.
I don't want to share computer stuff with my family, but i don't mind some stranger reading my computer stuff.
"Tactile Keyboards" doesn't have much kitty pictures or religious quotes... mostly.
Another way to look at your statement is I looked at the blog's other posts and it seems vaguely "design-ish". I don't think there's a vibrant "design" community on G+. On the other hand you can't get the amateur / semi-pro photographers to shut up on G+ its a flood from those folks. Lots of maker type people active on G+. Lots of ham radio types too.
If your group doesn't hang out on G+, you end up with narrow worldview weird blog posts about "nobody uses it" which misses the point.
For an analogy, I haven't read much commentary about Minecraft in the places where Dwarf Fortress people hang out. Therefore no one plays Minecraft, obviously. Well, not really, the world is just a little bigger and complex than expected.
As an aside, I think most typical users of social networks have been conditioned to post to one of two groups: public or friends only. Facebook doesn't have "circles" but it has the capability to allow selective posting to default groups or ones a user chooses. I don't think most bother, there or anywhere really.
Anecdote, I know... but hey, it's an existence proof, at least.
It is still a UX nightmare, however, and I imagine hat turns off a lot of users that try to dabble in G+.
Communities seem to be the best draw for Google Plus right now, maybe because it is otherwise difficult to converse with a large group of people (e.g. friends, family) on G+.
> is Google artificially inflating it's numbers while really dying a slow death
Yes.
Every free Google product that they don't know how to monetize is being moved under g+ in an effort that g+ will be highly monetizable(?) In the future.
I have some 7 g+ accounts just for such logins.
"In line with Google’s vision to organize the world’s information, the focus on Google+ seems to be shifting to content more than relationships. ... I wonder if Google is more interested in being Reddit (the front page of the Internet), than it is in being a Facebook/Twitter clone (what your friends are up to)."
Just pick a new name instead of a lame novelty reddit user name.
Just look the amount of names ending in Goldstein there. It's like the whole state of new York signed up.
Reddit already has (a) anonymity; (b) a working karma system; (c) proper threading; (d) organisation by subject/topic; (e) freedom to start new boards; and (f) a lot more intelligent debate than G+. Fixing all of these G+ deficiencies in the current system looks a long way beyond Google's capabilities, even if it wanted to.
The dog-slow operation of G+ and the extreme information-poverty of the UI (which makes it impossible to scan topics quickly) add to G+'s problems in being a pseudo-Reddit.
For what it's worth, I gave Google+ a pretty solid try when it came out, but very little of my social network actually moved over there, and then I moved to a new city and all my new friends were on Facebook instead, so I stopped using G+.
When Google+ was new, the joke was that it was like Facebook, only your parents weren't on it - the main reason to use it.
No, seriously.
I simply can't understand the logic of someone who says that they stopped using G+, BECAUSE all of their friends are on Facebook... when they SAY THAT on Reddit or Hacker News.
Most of my friends and family would be useless here. Likewise, I haven't talked to anybody here that I'd like to show pictures of my brats.
I can't understand why you would conflate a social network and a forum.
Most of my friends and family would be useless there.
Your argument makes me feel like I'm watching people argue about which is better, Reddit, or Digg.
> I can't understand why you would conflate a social network and a forum.
I care what my former co-workers think about tech and startup news, and I have very little interest in pictures of their kids, etc. I share with them, posts about tech and startup news. They do the same. And they can even see comments back and forth from each other, and decide to Follow each other - which makes it better than simple email exchanges.
They do a far, far better job of pointing out articles I would really passionately care about than Hacker News does. I get breadth from HN and Reddit, but they're specifically lacking the depth of discussion from people I know and trust.
I'm as likely to get trolled on Reddit, as have any kind of meaningful conversation. Not so on G+.
Also, I stopped checking G+ daily when they started putting up that annoying "find your friends" banner half the time you hit the site, which was way too much friction for the paucity of content in my G+ feed.
But there's this interesting layer, for me, of other people that are interesting to talk to:
People who are willing to identify themselves publicly with their real name, and who are interested in the same things I'm interested in.
https://plus.google.com/communities
By joining Communities of like-minded people, it's very similar to subscribing to a sub-reddit. Except I personally see way less spam and trolling.
And I can mix that in, with the streams of other interesting people who are on G+.
Facebook != Hacker News != Google+
They're different. The reasons why most people SAY they don't use Google+ is because it's not the same thing as Facebook. I think they're wrong to have even thought of it that way.
I suppose different people use these sites in different ways, though, and I might check back periodically, but for now Google+ is just a Skype replacement for me.
People use Facebook because they know the people, and that's what makes the content significant to them but not to outsiders.
G+ simply doesn't have the ease of access or quality of content (links, discussions) that you get on HN or Reddit, and it doesn't have your friends. It fails at both.
Or at least, it's rewarding enough to make it ANOTHER site that I visit. GMail, Facebook, Reddit, Hacker News, CNN, G+. I don't think G+ is going to replace GMail, Facebook, Reddit, Hacker News, or CNN for me. But I don't expect ANY of those sites, to replace any of the others. So it just boggles my mind when people - on Reddit or Hacker News - comment that G+ didn't replace Facebook, so therefore it is not valuable.
I think I've put a bit more effort into finding interesting people, Pages, Communities, and #topics than you have, and I've been rewarded for my efforts.
Google+ doesn't have a Front Page like Reddit and HN do, that's true. But it wasn't hard to get started finding stuff I care about.
Both Twitter and Reddit (and HN) pack a ton of info into small spaces so it's very quick to scroll through and pick up new stuff, which is a major problem with G+. The same info may be on G+ but, in my experience, it's a lot harder to find. (And if do I find it, it's already been tweeted to death.)
Incidentally, it wasn't me who thought G+ should replace other services! I do think it started as an attempt to replace Facebook, but as far as I can see, it isn't a good substitute for anything I already use. Worse, it doesn't have any unique attractions (unless you want Hangouts, which I don't).
I can scroll through my stream pretty quickly. j/k keys work great.
Reddit isn't a good substitute for anything I already use. It augments them. Google+ is the same, it augments the things I already use.
A unique attraction for me is that when I +1 something, and later Google Search, I can find my own +1'd things very, very quickly. That's a completely unique feature.
Try to find anything you ever saw on Facebook or Reddit, for comparison.
If i decide to stop going on HN i can still follow it. No need for Ycombinator to "review" the client i'm using or impose "rate limits" or whatever.
And i can then broadcast HN feed with my own feed to people who suscribe it , without them subscribing HN.
But hey , "RSS must die" people are saying ...
G+ is a feed I can comment on.
And you're not just reading HN (which RSS would let you do), you're commenting on it.
RSS does not allow you to comment back - it's not that magic.
Hacker News has convinced you to make an account, in order to comment.
And I can use Google+ in a browser. Any browser.
And lookie here:
https://plus.google.com/+Scobleizer/posts/ZLV9GdmkRzS
That's you, reading an article that was posted on Google+, without even logging in to Google+, which proves that Google+ can be used like any blogging software:
https://plus.google.com/+Scobleizer/posts
So, what exactly is your problem? Why the venom?
Using HN and reddit as an analogy is flawed though, because they do not have an extended family of products and services. If G+ was only G+, then great, that's one thing. However, G+ is required if you want to make an app review in the Play store, among other things. Neither reddit nor HN have anything remotely close to this.
Of course the same is true for Facebook, to some extent, with an increasing number of web sites outsourcing their comment system to them.
I've never given Google Plus a serious try, but I would totally do it if it had no barrier to entry (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000052.html). If I could try it for a while, use it to create content, then know that if I don't like it, I can go back to Twitter and others won't even know that I left, then I would give Google Plus a try.
If Google Plus already does this.. well. Then it's marketing's fault.
You literally can just try Google+ for a while, use it to create content, and if you don't like it you can go back to Twitter. They're not mutually exclusive. Google+ doesn't deactivate your Twitter account. It doesn't edit your hosts file to null route www.twitter.com. There are even browser plugins that let you post all your existing Twitter and Facebook content to Google+ retroactively, and let you post to both for future posts as well.
So... that doesn't seem like it's marketing's fault. I'm not sure what would be a barrier to entry to something that's completely free and demands literally nothing of you.
Keep things simple for god sake. Even Microsoft is better at UI than Google.
How much of the quality of youtube comments can be attributed to this? Anyone wanting to make a point or responding to one would rather post the video in a forum and discuss it there. And considering that it's YOUtube, which means the initial idea was that people talk into their camera, and others respond with videos and comments, I wouldn't exactly call the comment system a gimmick either. It would be nice to at least theoretically be able to have actual discussion on important videos, right where the video is. But no ^^