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Sweden have done other... weird things.

For example, during the H1N1 vaccinations, a Finland woman that had some good credibility, pointed that the Sweden vaccines were dangerous, she claimed that Sweden had some sort of conspiracy with the US to get rid of young people.

Lots of people believed it was balooney at the time, but now we have Swedish young people with narcolepsy because of the vaccine (it only affected those below 20).

Now the balooney claim, look a lot less balooney... But I still wonder what the hell is going on sometimes... All of my ideas fail both henlan and occam razors, but maybe there IS some conspiracy really going on...

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Please cite facts, not unsubstantiated tinfoil hat material devoid of citations.

I has been shown [1] that the risk of being affected by narcolepsy among children vaccinated with Pandremix is 4.19 times higher than the risk among children that were not vaccinated with that particular vaccine. This in Sweden, related to the H1N1 mass vaccinations.

69 verified diagnoses of narcolepsy were found among vaccinated children. It has not been proven that all cases of narcolepsy were directly caused by the vaccine.

Your claim that this Finnish woman's assertion that the Swedish gov't in cahoots with the US gov't wanted to "get rid of young people" is somehow not "balooney" is patently ridiculous based on the simple facts.

[1] http://www.lakemedelsverket.se/OVRIGA-SIDOR/Den-nya-influens... (Swedish)

A similar paper can also be found on PubMed

Increased childhood incidence of narcolepsy in western Sweden after H1N1 influenza vaccination. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23486871

Did anyone in Sweden claim that the vaccines weren't dangerous? The point of vaccines is that they're less risky than the disease they're preventing, even considering the low likelihood of contracting a disease.

Since the 70s seemly all mass vacinations related to H1N1 caused more damage than the disease itself.

H1N1 spreads fast, but is not much deadly anymore.

Here in Brazil for example, H1N1 infected a good part of the population, but only about 100 people died, while common flu killed 100 people each day.

And the H1N1 vaccine also caused some mayhem.

I am not dismissing vaccines in general, or saying that even a dangerous vaccine is not worth it (the original vaccine, was very dangerous, yet made a disease get erased from Earth), but there was people saying specifically that the H1N1 vaccine that only Sweden used, was clearly dangerous for young people, too bad those people had no proof... But now that the vaccine DID caused more damage than the disease.

> Since the 70s seemly all mass vacinations related to H1N1 caused more damage than the disease itself.

Do you really think anyone will believe that if you don't give us a source?

The 2009 H1N1 pandemic alone killed between 151,700 and 575,400 people[1]. CDC estimates that in USA alone, 11,690 died and 257,000 ended up in hospitals[2]. I can't find any source that brings vaccine deaths to anywhere close to that.

1. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-30...

2. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/public/vaccination_qa...

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