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Mass protests planned over web NSA spying revelations

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A camera phone is your best protection against police abuse.

Make a 50% mixture of Malox ant-acid and water. If you get hit with OC (not CS), have a friend pour a little into each eye. Spraying it with a squirt bottle on exposed skin offers some relief also.

3M painter's masks make excellent and cheap gas masks. Have it assembled and fit to your head before you leave the house. The OC floats around and often is invisible. DO NOT WEAR CONTACT LENSES!

Put a newspaper in your backpack. If the police start shooting their paint balls, flip your backpack around and wear it on your chest like a breast plate.

Never, ever touch the police as this is a felony assault.

If asked if you have a permit, say yes it is in my pocket and it is a copy of the Constitution.

Solidaridad!!!

And please do remember to switch your mobile phones to Flight Mode!

Because, to get an idea, just watch this clip:

http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention/

This makes the phone useless. Leave it on, recording, and uploading.

Turn it off on the way to the protest and after, but leave it on there. Burner smart phones are <$100 if you want to be more anonymous.

Oh, the one you turned on in the exact same place you turned off the one minutes earlier that's tied to your home address and credit card? Right.

Oh, look, your real identity at your home residential IP is the very first view on the video uploaded to this google account created yesterday on a burner phone that just happened to be turned on at your house before going to the protest.

You're fooling yourself if you think a burner phone is the solution to wholesale wiretapping.

You need to learn more about how cellphone GPS is implemented.

You also need to learn what an Internet cafe is.

Nice name & comment combination.

I was known in the SEA & PDX occupy as a street medic.

For more info, read my article in this Summer's '2600': "How to Create and Operate a Temporary Free Autonomous Zone"

OC? CS? which is which? How to tell them apart?

OC is 'pepper spray' and looks red/orange. It is what American police use. CS is yellow/white military 'tear gas' and is not usually used in the USA, but it is used in other countries. It was used in the USA in the 1960s, but not today usually. Some of the 'grenades'/fire crackers police throw that make a loud bang also release a small cloud of CS gas. Seattle police used these against May Day 2013 protesters.

I noticed in Tehran, Iran the people used an open flame (like a candle or burning paper) to destroy the CS gas. The people in Turkey were subjected to both.

Bear/dog repellent is a mix of CS & OC, but is illegal to use on humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cs_gas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OC_gas

My local (Washington DC) protest has 312 people "going" according to Facebook. With any given Facebook event, I've found there's usually a huge dropoff between those who have RSVP'd and who shows up.

I think the spirit of this is great but "mass protest" might be a bit of a misnomer.

The lack of "mass" is going to be a real problem. If you add up the visible numbers of people following their social sites, it is hovering under 25,000 with about 20,000 of that number coming from their subreddit. It would be fine if this was pitched as an ongoing, building movement like OWS or the Tea Party, but the focus is all on a one day protest that currently looks to be ill attended. This could quickly turn into a prototypical slactivism joke.

Also, the interactive map on http://www.restorethefourth.net/ is completely broken. Clicking on any of the locations for more information leads you straight to a 404.

Judging from the comments on the subreddit, it's not something I want to get my family involved with anyway. There's an unfortunte lack of serious effort here.

Yep pretty unfortunate...

Its hard to build a large protest using just reddit. You really need large organizations to get behind you, MoveOn, Unions, A.N.S.W.E.R, but all of these groups are of course very quiet because its a democrat in the white house doing this.

If Romney or Bush were in charge, I think the protests would be much greater.

Yeah, the last one[0] really had a crappy turnout. We only got enough people together here to fill two buses and travel ~800 miles one way to attend.

It wasn't just Reddit, of course, and obviously it had a couple of fairly well-known media personalities promoting it but the majority of the organizing and attendees I saw was because of Reddit.

[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_to_Restore_Sanity_and/or_...

Yes the initial idea may have started on reddit, but then comedy central, moveon, afl-cio, and other large democratic groups started promoting it and thats when it got big.

If those groups don't hop on, your just not going to have a big in-person protest.

And the eff is the only group I have seen promoting this

The day after Snowden disclosed his identity, we rallied at noon in Union Square. 50 people showed up, and half of them were press. :/

It is about social signaling. There will be many sympathizers unaware of the event until they see people gathering.

I'd love to see NSA's predictions of participation numbers before they happen, who are the leaders and organizers who will most likely make this happen, and to report once social surges start to occur and then once physical mobilizations start to occur (using phone locations data)..

http://www.restorethefourth.net/protests/new-york/nyc/ can anyone fix this?

People, use this for secure communication & activity coordination:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5983913

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