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I agree. Germany was more of a "target", and considering involvements of the German muslim minority in 9/11 this isn't very surprising either.

Still I really don't like what the NSA is doing to us...

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Considering the massive immigration of Muslims and their continuing radicalization instead of assimilation, the whole of western Europe including Germany is going to turn into an "enemy" 20-30 years down the road.

Europe is an US ally today not because of the geography, but because of the Europeans. But the Europeans have mostly given up making babies and will in 1-2 generations be mostly replaced by more fertile Muslims hostile to the US.

For example the English population in the capital of the UK, has fallen below 50%. The English are already a ethnic minority in their own capital. It is just a matter of time when the people making decision about the UK nuke arsenal and military infrastructure are Muslims loyal not to the Queen but to Pakistan, Somalia or some other Jihadi US hating shithole.

It would be silly to declare a quickly dying/changing continent an perpetual ally and stop monitoring them just because they have been allies 20 years ago.

Spot on. I am surprised you are not down voted by the hordes of politically correct people here.

Spot on as an example of paranoid neo Nazi bullshit? Definitely. And you did a good job of adding then usual pathetic victim posturing sauce.

Really? Are we going to accuse people who uphold fact-checking, our respective constitutions and general political debate as "politically correct"?

I haven't seen an argument why we shouldn't extend human rights to Muslims. And yes, what most people who talk about muslims committing more crimes on average (which is true, if you restrict it to the relative proportions and avoid any proper statistical analysis) are talking about is a violation of constitutional rights:

It's impossible to punish millions of people for the crimes of the few.

You seem to think that if someone isn't "White British" then they are automatically a Muslim extremist.

The ethnic breakdown of London is far more complex than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London

At the moment, about 8.5% of London's population is Muslim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London

Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom

I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat - especially, as far as I can see, the overwhelming majority of this community are as decent and law-abiding as everyone else.

> I'm completely mystified how anyone could see this tiny minority as a threat...

Paul Weston - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG77qpLi4oc

There are a lot of people in the UK (near or in the parts that are "diverse", or "multicultural") that will disagree with you about the disproportionate amount of crime (murder, rape, mugging, etc) and destruction that is committed by the non-"White British", and the effects this has on the stability and prosperity of the country (and more than likely so will basic crime statistics).

Just a few months ago there was a couple of non-"White British" guys trying to cut off a guy's head with a knife, hands covered in blood, while proclaiming something about their religion, god, and kin, on camera and in front of witnesses.

> Also worth noting is that across the UK the Muslims only make up 2.7% of the population

Yes. The fastest growing demographic in the country that will blow up in just a decade or two...

It's not the 2 year olds you have to worry about, nor the 80 year olds, it's the 16-2x age group.

Extrapolating the behaviour of two nutters is a dangerous thing to do - every comment I heard from those who represent the Muslim community in the UK sounded as horrified as everyone else by what those guys did:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/26/muslim-community-re...

The crime rates are often an excuse for hate-motivated agitation. But dig a bit deeper, and you have to change your mind:

Most agitators will pose some "fact" as "crime rate among muslim is double as high". Yeah, right, but still the rest of the population is committing way more crimes. There's no reason to feel more threatened by them. If you are going to get mugged, killed or whatever, most likely it will be by the majority population - except if you are living in a neighbourhood or city where the majority has segregated the minority...

London attracts a lot of internationals because of opportunities for education & employment. That's why the ethnic English population is less than 50%. It's important to note that the >50% of internationals are not all muslim, at all.

When it comes to birth rates, they vary a lot depending on a family's country of origin. Take Pakistan: in general first generation Pakistani immigrants do have more children than Europeans - but after a generation or two, the demographic pattern is very similar to that of the host country.

There is a radicalisation issue, but it's dangerous to start implying that all or most muslims are "hostile to the US" or "Jihadi". It's a very small minority, and especially in England. Almost a quarter of the world's population is muslim, they're just regular people. It's xenophobic to assume that they all hate you.

That's BS, pardon my french. Whip out your IPython notebook and do some calculations. In Germany for example, if you are very generous about muslim birth rates and immigration, we can't expect the muslim minority to reach 50% in the next 200 years. If you assume sinking birth rates among Muslims, as was the case for the past decades in Germany and most Muslim countries, especially turkey, the time span is too long to be still talking about Germans vs Muslims.

Same with the UK. What islamophobics also conveniently ignore is the unequal distribution and segregation due to subtle and not so subtle discrimination, similar to the Schelling effect. Basically, if London has more than 50% "immigrant" population (most of which aren't muslim), that's not any indication for the rest of the UK.

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