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Honestly, they are big motivators for me. I get a burst of endorphins when I receive many Facebook "likes" or upvotes on HackerNews. When I am ignored or downvoted, I feel as if I've been voted out of a digital democracy.
What's interesting, though, is that many online rating systems aren't democracies; they're dictatorships. In other words, it's unclear to the user how the process of ranking / rating actually works. (HN is pretty transparent, I think, but Facebook is more shadowy in this regard.)
Don't you mean vice-versa? Facebook is completely obvious, and HN is the one that isn't at all. On Facebook I can easily see if I have 5 'Likes', which 5 people 'Liked' it. On HN, I have no idea why/who/where/etc the up-votes are coming from, or how they are weighted in various ways based on who actually up-voted you. It's the opposite of transparent. It's just a number with an up and down arrow. With Facebook, there is obvious measures by seeing the number of comments (and by who), the number of 'Likes' (and by who), and so forth. Not sure I follow your logic on that, unless you just accidentally reversed your sentence.
EDIT: I was thinking more in terms of "Upvotes/Likes". I see what OP might mean now from the standpoint of Facebook logic on what content you actually see, and that side of things.
I'm not the OP, but that might be the direction the original logic was going.
Same here, I laugh at myself because of it and usually try very hard to avoid pandering to it. Is it a form of narcissism? It causes me to question my personal autonomy.
Given this comment, it's apparently not working, though.
There's nothing to learn about me at all from my karma score. From my comment frequency, sure: you'd learn that I comment a lot. I don't IRC, I don't game, and I no longer blog; I treat HN like I used to treat Usenet. Also, we hire from HN, and so I have a Pavlovian thing going on with commenting.
Every once in awhile I consider switching to "tptacek_" or something, but that's just giving the embarrassing karma score more power over my life.
I liked Slashdot's approach to this, which was (when I was there) that above a threshold your score just became "Lots".
Bots these days. :D
EDIT: Oh no, my karma superstardom!
Bot or person, I find his (their?) comments insightful though I don't follow explicitly.
I thought I was doing well with 10/day (recently, not lifetime), and I'm not even on there.
HackerNews has never been about Karma for me. I'm here for educated discussion. As soon as this site ceases to be the forefront of intelligent technical discussion on the Internet, I'll bounce, but I care much more about discussion than Karma, which is worth reiterating.
Karma has no value, but the strength of your arguments carry weight.
A few months ago, I was dead dog down. Two projects had gone to shit, an out of town trip got cancelled, and I was enduring some wanton meanness along one vector of my social life. I was having a particularly bad day. And as stupid as it sounds, seeing a bump in points at the end of the day was hugely positive. All the other shit was bigger and more important. But in the moment, those few points had more value...and then I realized how much I love my family and friends and karma points faded back to normal.
Karma scores embody whatever meaning we attach to them. For me, that meaning varies over time.
I see a number next to my name, the points are real. Not imagined.
However I see the points as like video game scores. They are not terribly important even among ordinary issues, but still fun to keep an eye on once in a while. It's neat but not important.
Of course, karma is not a particularly precise way of determining what others think of you, but then again, that's fairly common as far as methods of social validation go.
And social validation is not a bad thing; I mean, why would it be bad to feel better about yourself for knowing that others enjoy and appreciate what you did?
My concern with these imaginary numbers is people game them all the time which in turn makes me chuckle every time I see my "score"
Bitcoin is also imaginary points on the Internet. I hope I don't end up disheartened.
I think you're being facetious, but I do appreciate the point.
I'm not counting them, HN is and displaying them to me.
"I deliberately avoid calculating that number, because if you start measuring something you start optimizing it, and I know it's the wrong thing to optimize." —pg (emphasis mine)
I imagine posting quickly at the top level of a hot topic in a polarizing, but defensible (don't be definitive, or at least leave the door open that you may be incorrect) way will get you a lot of votes. Those that agree will up vote, those that disagree will respond.
I can't bring myself to test this because I'll know I'm just doing it for points, so I continue to mostly respond to others (as here).
Why not? I've run some of these little experiments myself. Aside from the ethical breach of performing amateur psychology experiments on unwitting subjects, what's the harm? You don't have to adopt the model to all of your future posts. Do it for science!
That leaves root level posting and polarizing comments. Neither in itself a bad thing, but I find them generally time sensitive. By the time I see and read a post, my sentiments have usually already been expressed, and adding what's essentially a duplicate post seems counterproductive for the community, no matter how productive it would be for my karma. :) Anything extra I would have added works well in a reply to the similar comment.
As for polarizing opinions, those come when they come. I'm not willing to manufacture any when they aren't my own. I see my online persona as an extension of me, not some mask I put on so I can adopt other characteristics. I would feel just as bad as if I had lied to someone in real life.
All that said, if I was more in the habit of having a few drinks before or while reading HN, I'm sure I would have reams of data to play with. ;)
Actually, that would be a fun experiment. Have two accounts. One used exclusively while sober, the other exclusively while slightly buzzed or more. Maybe multiple accounts for different drugs of choice, although increasing consumption just to provide roughly similar use times may yield negative consequences...
I've noticed that if you want to criticize someone/something, it's safer to aim for some defenseless individual, rather than a famous company like google. I got down-voted for criticizing google, even though I'm pretty sure nothing I could say could hurt google's feelings.
Yes, it's weird and I know I'm not interesting enough to have people know me by name. I've just had a few incidents where people have tracked through my comment history and brought up things from the past to defeat me in an argument, and I get a little gunshy.
Then again, as part of YC, encouraging homeruns on HN implements symmetry.
"At the end of the 19th century, economist Vilfredo Pareto discovered that wealth among a population is not normally distributed. Rather, it seemed to have the form of a power law P(k) ∼ k−γ.
Figure 2a shows the distribution of wealth in 2011 among the richest people in the US in a log–log plot. The distribution is quite skewed and somewhat resembles a power law. It also illustrates that the richest man in the US, Bill Gates (rightmost data point), is about 30 times richer than the average of the next 400 fabulously rich Americans. It's natural to view such a skewed distribution of wealth as both unethical and unjust.
The difference between the normal distribution of length and the power-law distribution of wealth is precisely the skewness: If Bill Gates were a length, he would measure more than 300 miles from head to toe. How can the occurrence of that extraordinarily broad distribution be explained?
In the case of wealth, one can seek an explanation in terms of human economic actions and greed. That approach seems fine at first. But the same broad distribution was discovered early in the 20th century to represent town populations in a country (figure 2b). In the case of towns, population growth, commerce, and migration are among the factors likely to shape the distribution. Power-law distributions appear in other diverse settings and, as is the case with wealth and town size, have seemingly disparate causes.
Species among genera (figure 2c), which should have something to do with biological evolution.
Word frequency in a novel (figure 2d), which should have something to do with how you write a book or how the human language arose and developed.
Surnames in a country (figure 2e), which should have something to do with the country's society and history."
http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/points_of_view/jus...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/11/occupy-m...
It was only about 6 months ago that I even figured out where my karma was displayed.
Post, or don't post, but do it because you think it's interesting, or relevant, or it's Tuesday, but you really shouldn't spend your time worrying about a made-up number.
That's what Facebook friends are for. And Reddit.
for example, i've made two submissions, both making it to the #1 spot, and have been afraid to submit any more lest my streak be ended
some measure of quality over quantity would be nice :)
14 karma: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5646078
6 karma: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5633037
I'm not saying karma is worthless, but high-karma comments are skewed by jackpots obtained from fluff.
When you can't down vote, seeing a reply that sheds new light, puts some of the ridiculousness in context, or just takes a person down a notch may get a vote because it's your best way of voting by proxy.
For the comment writer it's a bit of a double edged sword. Sometimes the feedback you get relative to the time and effort put into a post can be disheartening.
Why doesn't HN distinguish between Link Karma and Comment Karma a la Reddit anyways?
What I find amusing is that since they are essentially playing a game "karma scoring for fun" they complain about it when someone else's submission of the same story gets more karma than they got.
That said the use of a mechanism like karma points to drive user engagement and participation is pretty classic. You could ask someone to spend hours day scouring the internet for interesting stories but they would want you to pay them. Offer up karma points to the people who find the cool stories and suddenly they are competing for free to populate the news feed for your site.
https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=tptacek&s...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3272720
which is very, very good.
P.S. I will always be behind one person who has the same join date I have, namely patio11, in both daily karma accumulation over time and total accumulated karma. And very deservedly so. I go looking for patio11's comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=patio11
just in case I missed a few while browsing threads from the front page and the new page.
It's a fair point that there have been other comments in other threads about Wikipedia here on HN.
https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=Wikipedia...
Ad hom: Person objects to treatment they receive from Wikimods, therefore they must lack experience.
Ad hom: List of articles for deletion containing articles that are all obvious junk. Implies that all deleted articles must therefore have been junk. Maybe I have inferred too much here, but that's what I thought you were going for, and you have a point. There are probably a lot more pages that need deletion, but it doesn't support the infallibility of Wikimods or refute the validity of some of the complaints made by people about Wikimods. I have no idea if you culled the list, but that might make it worse depending upon what you culled.
It's nothing worth getting our knickers in a twist for, and I guess I should disclose that I have created/edited a few Wikipedia pages myself and often found that experience, and working with some others on the site to be frustrating. I'm not talking about vanity pages for my friend's bands either. So I may have developed a natural reflex to unreserved or what I perceive to be unjustified defenses of Wikimods.
The first is an attempt at drawing a correlation. "When you observe fact-pattern X, you can expect that property Y obtains." It might be derisive, but it's not AdHom. He's not using an unrelated character assassination to discredit an argument. I concede that it smells a bit ad-hom-y, but only because he has a lot bad to say about the article (all of it supported, imo), and so it kind of builds up momentum. That's the article's fault, though, for being so wrong about so much (although the article is right that WP is a complex (social) system, not perfectly documented).
(A related mistake, which I don't think you're necessarily making, is that of thinking that anything that attacks credibility is AdHom. If you say "Bob is always wrong about biochemistry, so he's probably wrong about this claim about haemoglobin", that's not AdHom either.)
As for the second, your inference might have been reasonable (if uncharitable), except that he later explains exactly why he brought it up: the AfD process has to operate at scale, it's not expected to be infallible. Combined with his other points about how notability has to work, it's build-up for his paragraph that starts with "Anyone who can snark... betraying a deep ignorance ...".
And I think it's a pretty decent comment, overall, because it has a virtue I prize, of looking at a wrong-but-seductive view, and giving enough additional context to help readers form a better picture. Though of course the magnitude of the upvoting depends on name-recognition.
You're probably not alone. I later noticed that it is tptacek's second highest rated comment.
Do people really judge here based HN micro-celebrity-ness?
https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/comments&q=by%3ALigh...
vs
https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=by%3AL...
The user has posted only one comments in the last 21 days and the highest rated comment ever had only 8 points.