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If you like Kotlin also look at Ceylon from RedHat. In some ways very similar to Kotlin with null-safety and improved generics.

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Actually Kotlin has null safety as well[1]. Not sure how generics in Kotlin compare to Ceylon, but it also improved on Java's generic support[2] by eliminating wildcards, type projection, inferred types and some other features.

Random question, but how far along is Ceylon's development compared to Kotlin's? I know they're both relatively new still, but just wondering how feature complete it is so far.

[1] http://confluence.jetbrains.com/display/Kotlin/Null-safety

[2] http://confluence.jetbrains.com/display/Kotlin/Generics

See here: http://ceylon-lang.org/documentation/1.0/roadmap/

I hate to say it because I like JetBrains and have given them lots of money over the years but I prefer Ceylon to Kotlin. They are very similar languages but I just like the Ceylon syntax more.

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