Snowden banned from flying to UK
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I live in the UK and am utterly disgusted at the pieces of shit that act in our name.
You can't vote them out as it's a bipartisan system with two sets of the same ideals.
You can't revolt because everyone is too busy staring at Simon Cowel's nefarious trash pumped through our telescreens.
You can't speak up because it's illegal.
Sit, obey, conform.
1. Get from the building to a diplomatically immune car and out of the EU. Not going to happen: the fuzz will snag him the moment he steps out of the door.
2. Wait for a politically sympathetic party is voted in and the extradition rules are changed. Not going to happen: people are too stupid to vote for anything other than "the big two" and if they did, they won't change policy or America will go all "Fuck Yeah" on our arses.
3. Wait for the whole thing to be uncovered publicly as a fucking massive international political scam and he is pardoned.
4. Hope that Kurzweil was right, upload his conscious mind to a machine with OpenSSH and SCP himself overseas.
I reckon (3) is most likely.
5. He finally gets stir crazy enough to attempt to sneak out and gets collared or just decides to take his chances in Sweden.
6. Ecuador gets sick of him and kicks him out (maybe after a change of leadership).
And I think 5 is likelier than 3.
I for one hope he gets to take a senate seat in Australia. Under the rules of parliamentary privilege you can say anything in the chamber without risk of prosecution. Imagine he'd have a bit to say...
That's one of the reasons they want rid of him - they didn't have much space to start with.
It will be an "accidental" gas leak or some such.
"The strongest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill.
If you could text your vote in, most of the UK could even manage to have an opinion between the adverts in the X-Factor and their next cigarette.
Being a little bit cynical, but 2000 GBP seems closer to the cost of shipping him to the US than the cost of detaining him.
Says it all really. Don't waste your time reading this hypey article.
It's [edit] certainly not the place to be if you want privacy.
RIPA (regulation of investigatory powers act) has been abused by local council staff spying on public to see if they live within a school catchment area or within an area qualifying for cheap parking. There are other abuses too.
We're bringing in a "snooper's charter" - this is just traffic data and not content of calls, but still, it's pretty unpleasant.
We had / have "Phorm" - deep packet inspection of customer internet traffic in order to serve ads.
The idea of national ID cards had a small number of opponents, but was mostly met with "meh". The thing that actually killed it was the cost to the individual. I'm sure that if they had kept the cost to £30 per person we'd all have ID cards today.
In theory GCHQ have strict regulatory oversight. I do know people who work for GCHQ. I never talk to them about work, and they never talk to me about work, but they do say that regulatory oversight is real and true.
But we don't have the US concept of "fruit of the poisoned tree" - in the US a wiretap needs a court order, and without that any evidence gained cannot be used in court. That forces cops to actually get the court order, or risk losing cases. In the UK we allow spies to gather this stuff, and police to take action on it, but we don't want it used in court because then it's a matter of public record and thus subject to scrutiny and we leak information about capabilities. I see the benefit in both approaches, but I can appreciate that some people would be horrified with the English approach.
We were complicit in torture of innocent, untried, uncharged, soldiers / terrorists / combatants.
We have detention without charge (http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/human-rights/terroris...).
The UK has about 1% of the world population, but about 20% of the installed CCTV base.
Cheshire has a population of 700,000 people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire) but has over 12,000 CCTV cameras, of which about 500 - 600 are run by public authorities.
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/02/cctv-cameras-watchi...)
We happily ship people to the US under our unbalanced extradition treaty.
tl;dr: He'd be nuts to want to come here.
{EDIT: Strikethrough [a horrible place to live, and] in response to people below}
"It's a horrible place to live"
That's the only crime going on around where I live.
People aren't putting up with this shit any more.
The only problem being that you're probably going to get caught doing it.
Well fuck you too.
Although I do agree with the rest of your post.
Your response is a drastic overreaction and is nothing more than an ad hominem attack on another user. Nothing in his post suggests he's never been elsewhere or that he's particularly immature.
Does your post seem like a reasonable response to anything?
I am starting to think the people on the other side of "the public doesn't need to know" enjoy their little fantasy world a little too much.
I don't remember who said it recently, but it's the people who need to know everything their government is doing at all times, not the other way around, with the government knowing everything their citizens do, but keeping everything they do secret. We need to turn this around.
Within a few days, if I recall correctly, he was asking the audience to buy copies of his new book and mail them to whoever it was in England that set the rules in this regard, to send her a message.
I'm on the left edge of the political spectrum, assuming that's 2D, but every time Michael Savage was on and I was doing something where I could listen to talk radio I'd tune in. Guy knows how to put on an entertaining show.