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In your professional experience as a web developer, maybe you could square this assertion:

Services (Google, Facebook, etc) automatically grant request without question as it is a legally binding FISA order

... with the court order the NYT linked to from FAS, where Yahoo is seen to go several rounds with the FISC after having received a lawful directive from NSA to initiate surveillance?

From exactly what evidence do you argue that Google (or any other Internet company) automatically approves all FISA requests?

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Snarky tone unnecessary. To which court order do you refer?

Edit: Also, your tweet quoting me sarcastically was also unnecessary. I'm trying to be helpful and you're being rude.

Saw that tweet. I usually don't like snark but you deserve it!

removed word "professional" because apparently that's a bigger deal than the content itself...

Instead of talking about my silly tweet, how about you address the question? Do you think I made the court order up?

Response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5878534

You responded to the NYT story, not the court order it linked to, and thus didn't address my argument, which was not about the NYT story itself.

This is apparently the article. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/technology/secret-court-ru...

Thank you :)

Relevant part of the article:

>In a secret court in Washington, Yahoo’s top lawyers made their case. The government had sought help in spying on certain foreign users, without a warrant, and Yahoo had refused, saying the broad requests were unconstitutional. Related

>The judges disagreed. That left Yahoo two choices: Hand over the data or break the law.

>So Yahoo became part of the National Security Agency’s secret Internet surveillance program, Prism, according to leaked N.S.A. documents, as did seven other Internet companies.

From the court order:

"After a careful calibration of this balance and consideration of the myriad of legal issues presented, we affirm the lower court's determinations that the directives at issue are lawful and that compliance with them is obligatory."

Seems to me that tptacek is supporting my hypothesis

A little snark is probably the politest thing you're going to hear if you're supporting your speculation that

4) Services (Google, Facebook, etc) automatically grant request without question as it is a legally binding FISA order

with nothing more than the fact that you're a professional web developer. Replace that with the equally valid 'amateur lion-tamer' just to get get a more disinterested sense of how it sounds.

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