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At the risk of getting flamed, you haven't actually tried it in the real world yet - you've looked at it on you monitor ...

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I have. I'm typing this from iOS 7. My opinion has changed little from seeing it on the Keynote to actually using it. Some graphic details don't seem as bad in person and others are much worse.

On the plus side, it's very speedy. Plus, it makes existing 3rd party apps look glorious, with their attractive, last-generation looks.

I have a theory that the accelerometer-linked 3D "layer" effects might make the flat interface more usable in person. As in, the subtle perspective shift would make it obvious that a button is a button, etc. Can you comment on that? Are those effects extended to all of the UI elements?

I personally hope the accelerometer-linked 3D will not also help to make flat the battery which already does not last long.

I have the beta, and as of right now they aren't - the effects are only for the wallpaper.

It seems like a pretty gimmicky effect right now, although if you hold it in a certain way it does have a cool 3D effect. The scrolling animation stutters quite a bit currently. I anticipate they'll have that fixed by release.

Interesting, thanks!

They aren't, and even the little layer effect on the home screen is nothing but a gimmick. I don't wave around with my phone while I use it and would never have noticed the iOS6 volume slider effect if blogs hadn't pointed it out.

Are you running the same iOS 7 as I am? "Very speedy" is the last thing I would call it. Every animation seems to have horrible lag on my iPhone 5.

This early build doesn't seem to be optimized very much.

Yep, it's much speedier than iOS 6 on my Verizon iPhone 5, and I'm coming from the bias "WTF are you doing Apple?!". Like I said, the only performance issues I've noticed are with the parallax scrolling background, it's still a bit stuttery.

The same can be said for Windows Phone.

That nobody in the real world has actually tried it yet?

Fair enough. But I remember when Apple first made the iTunes icons monochromatic, and everyone complained that they'd no longer be able to distinguish the icons. People seemed to adapt pretty quickly though.

> That nobody in the real world has actually tried it yet?

Surely someone somewhere has bought a Windows phone ;)

I have one :). I will say that it's surprisingly a lot better than I thought it would be.

I haven't met a person yet who hates their windows phone.

Some things, like the alarm app, really annoy me, but overall the interface is nice. If only there were more third party apps, we don't even have facebook or skype on the marketplace my phone supports (which is hardware locked dammit!).

The app ecosystem is the only thing that's really missing and I tell my friends; If I had Instagram and Googles ecosystem of apps, I'd be set.

I wish I could even get that far. I hear that the WP8 app ecosystem in the states isn't that bad, but I can't experience it.

Really, all I want is a phone that will upload pictures directly to Facebook.

We have full-featured instagram (3rd party app call led instance), we have a Facebook app and you can definitely upload pictures, and there's even a snapchat client too. But I agree, the app situation is undoubtedly worse on WP. I don't use very many apps personally, so it works for me.

Not all markets have these, and some phones are hard coded to specific markets even if unlocked.

Ah, I only have experience in the US store where there is Facebook, Skype and a ton of other good stuff. I suppose its only a matter of time, but for now I agree that is kind of unacceptable .

I love my new Nokia 928. Windows 8 phone is really smooth and everything can be accomplished using one hand. iOS 7 also looks pretty nice so it will fun comparing the two when it gets released.

Yeh, I have a friend that went from a Lumia 920 to an S3 and then an HTC One and he want's to come back. I live in San Francisco so I get joked a lot about my phone until it's time to take a picture :)

This is because no one gives Windows Phone a chance. I'm now a Windows Phone user and I don't see myself going back to iOS/Android any time soon.

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