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I presume DF is blacklisted. But why Vesper?

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As mentioned by the comments on twitter, DF isn't blacklisted on HN (last link to it was 2 weeks ago, not months ago as claimed).

John Gruber has presumably just mistaken not being popular for being blacklisted.

Vesper isn't either, just below this post are 3 vesper related links.

I never realized they were the same thing. To think I've been missing out on Daring Fireball's useful note-taking features all this time.

Edit: I suppose a more suitable and direct answer to the question would be to quote John Maynard Keynes: When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?

I think John is referring to one of these two stories, and I don't see any anomalies in either of their trajectories: http://hnrankings.info/5833716,5833388/

In my opinion, sitting at rank 22 with 90 points over 5 hours isn't half bad, and probably is due to a relatively slow news day.

The switch to https = no referrer in whatever analytics he uses.

is this because with https it's not appearing in his referer logs?

[if i add this line i get back above the copy comment! page ranking seems to depend on number of lines in post?!]

DF isn't blacklisted. I read (and actually quite enjoyed) "Google Versus" that was posted here three weeks ago. Additionally, a search reveals other decently upvoted DF submissions within the referenced time period.

Nice to see DHH spouting off some stuff. (I'm sure he'll apologize as soon as he realizes he and Gruber are simply confused) [DHH : HN :: Adrian Chen : reddit]. They ought to just leave well enough alone. Everytime they open with a blanket dismissal and comment on the participants of a site like reddit or hacker news, they really just make themselves look like angry resentful people.

I swear to God, I hope I never have the ego and name recognition that these people do. The paranoia that must cause someone to worry about their site being blacklisted from here and then assuming that a project they're involved with is ALSO blocked... is just a tad amusing. (And then taking to a soapbox without bothering with a 10 second search to confirm)

edit: Sorry if I got fired up, I'm having a hard time adjusting to my amazingly changed life now that I have yet another "gorgeous" "easy" note taking app that only works on one platform and doesn't sync to anything useful.

Well, Vesper is on the front page right now, so I read the question as "DF is blacklisted, so why isn't Vesper?". I believe he presumes that HN has a personal dislike for him and any project he is involved with.

Well, he kinda left out the negation that would make that make sense:

""Hacker News hasn’t had a single link to Daring Fireball in months, so I presume DF is blacklisted. But why [not] Vesper?""

but he didn't say that... Besides, he's still misinformed either way :S

If that is what he meant, it is almost still just as silly. Just because we (allegedly) don't like the guy's blog doesn't mean that it only makes sense that we should dislike something else that he is associated with. Not unless he thinks our (alleged) dislike for his blog is not merit based, but rather some unfair form of persecution aimed at him as a person.

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