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It is a pretty weird world we live in where nudity is automatically pornography. But that doesn't compare to the recent prosecutorial practice of trying to avoid a trial at any cost, including innocent lives, which has become a truly disgusting game, and now includes trying to bullshit the process of discovery. How many innocent people, with worse legal connections, went to jail over similar mishaps?

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To be fair the UK is much better than the US, where we have little kids who are on the sex offenders list for life for taking naked pictures of themselves with their parents iPads. Some of them probably aren't even old enough to read yet, and they're not allowed with 2,500 feet of school. And if they're lucky they have to go door to door to tell their neighbors that they're sex offenders, if they're unlucky they have to live under a bridge with a bunch of 50-year-old child rapists. The US is basically like the arab countries where the victim gets blamed for rape, only in this case we have judges ruling that kids need to go on the sex offenders list because they're too sexy and tempting for adults or whatever.

Can you provide links about that? I am in a "humanity is doomed" mode today and could use some dark infotainment.

http://www.salon.com/2009/02/20/sexting_teens/

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1041504...

A sister story to this one is far darker:

http://abarristerswife.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/exhibit-c-th...

Far darker, but a great piece on "innocent until proven guilty".

>It is a pretty weird world we live in where nudity is automatically pornography.

I am concerned. Should people here call their parents and ask them to destroy all pictures of them being bathed and oil massaged in the sun as an infant if they exist? Is it CP if I possess a picture of me as an infant? What is this absurdity?

I believe there has been cases of accusation based solely on pictures of children while bathing. Pictures taken by the parents, in their own homes, for few others to see.

I also believe there has been accusations based on photos where no nudity was evident as well. They were just "suggestive" somehow, which says more about the person making the accusation than the photographer to me.

> It is a pretty weird world we live in where nudity is automatically pornography.

It may be a fine point, but I think the distinction that clarifies the problem is "...where nudity is automatically pornography to somebody".

So if there existed a person who found all nude pictures arousing, then all nude picture will become porn?

To that person, yes.

The question is whether or not we're cool with that. Most of the time, yep. Some other times, nope.

More relative to the topic, what about adults looking at pictures of clothed children that they find attractive (even with clothes on).

The problem with these mass hysteria "think of the children" problems is that they're almost all universally solved for in one of two ways: True thought-police or absolute control of media and censorship.

Nudity is measurable.

  > It is a pretty weird world we live in where nudity is
  > automatically pornography.

I fail to understand it completely. Must be some of the "thought killing cliches"[1] thing. Just compare it with the attitude to violence and it's absurd. Think of all the video games where you can kill, bomb, stab, bludgeon, splash the brains out of your enemy and the age of kids playing them. Well, technically maybe 12 years old should not supposed to be playing those games, but nobody cares much if they do. No imagine there is a game with similar amount of realism, only related to sexual activity. Now imagine 12 years old playing it. What can of scandal would that be, and how many years in jail would producers and anyone letting the child play get? Who would be called creeps, perverts and worst possible humans ever?

So if you enjoy images of death (not only games, movies too) you are normal, and everything is ok. But if you enjoy images of naked people and depiction of sex, something is very wrong with you. Despite that most people never kill, and most people have sex, and all people have bodies.

How is this not twisted?

[1] http://www.andywest.org/es/miscellany/thought_killing_cliche...

That's a very US phenomena.

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