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Difference: IE was ugly and IE experience was ugly.

Neither IE nor the IE experience was ugly for that time, the time when they decided to introduce ActiveX. Infact, it was the hip browser. I used to remember being on Netscape (my fav/default browser) and unable to browse most modern sites as they were designed specifically for IE, similar to how you now come around those "works only on chrome/webkit" sites.

I personally find Chrome 'ugly'. Surely 'ugly' is an opinion? Also, I challenge your "IE experience was ugly." comment. Many seem to forget how revolutionary and influential IE 6 is. Google are very much standing on Microsoft shoulders here, like it or not.

> Google are very much standing on Microsoft shoulders here, like it or not.

That's a fine point of view, but I think that it's more accurate to say that Google and Microsoft are standing on the same shoulders.

Really? I'd suggest that Microsoft development of XMLHTTP and by extension XMLHttpRequest were pretty big developments for the web as we know it today. They certainly enabled Google to produce many of their services that are taken for granted today.

As I said, there's nothing wrong with your point of view. There's no denying that in the history of the web, those were important moments.

I'd say the creation of the web browser, HTML, HTTP, were even larger moments. And in that regard, Microsoft and Google are standing side-by-side on the shoulders of giants.

And I'd go further and say that when Google decided to make JavaScript performance a top-priority, and started pushing HTML5 standards, Microsoft has been the one playing catch-up. I'd say that those efforts enabled Microsoft to produce Metro, which is core to their new push.

No.

Chrome (okay, I only looked at Chromium) is ugly, has basically no way to adapt it to one’s needs, runs out of RAM quickly, is slow and needs updating all the time.

Not really a difference to IE.

I find it interesting that there are still people out there who think Chrome is ugly.

Firefox and Internet Explorer have all bad tab and/or adressbar placement.

Or do you just find any browser ugly by definition?

Try to open 100 tabs, first in Chrome, then in Firefox. Chrome doesn't even show the titles and runs quickly out of memory.

Chrome's process model incurs in substantial overhead, opening tens of tabs in a low-spec PC it's a surefire way to freeze the system.

I just open more than 10 tabs if I'm searching something. Like opening 20 results, than closing them after I visited every tab and found out that they don't have what I searched for.

Yeah I know. Many of my friends, whos PC usage is 99% browser and nothing else, still get their 8GB RAM full with Chrome only, just because they spam tabs all over the place.

I get crazy if I have too many tabs open for too long, don't know why...

I’m using Opera, so Firefox and IE are not exactly gold standards of nonugliness to me. The biggest contributor to me finding Chrome ugly is certainly that the tab bar is placed on the top rather than the left (and me being too lazy to search for an appropriate extension to change that).

I see, yeah this is probably nice, I know many people who abuse the tab-feature, because they don't like the bookmarks. (Never had a problem with it, but most people seem to think the bookmarks are "broken")

I like Chrome over FFox and IE BECAUSE of the top-tabs.

Firefox needs more vertical space and Internet Explorer just cripples them beneath the address bar :\

Oh, don’t get me wrong, of course tabs belong above the address bar (I think recent browsers get this right).

Even better though is putting the tab bar on the right where it doesn’t eat precious vertical space.

For me, bookmarks are a hole where content goes to die.

Beyond about 5 of them which will get used more or less daily, I'm more likely to just search for content again than to think to check my bookmarks. Unfortunately this usually leads to 100-200 open tabs at any given time of things that are either "in-queue" for reading or research/reference for what I'm currently working on.

I'm not going to claim it's the best system (or even a good one), but you really do get used to it and it works pretty well.

I know what you mean, I only use a few bookmarks in the bookmarks-bar (sorted in folders) and the rest is lost...

So you saying, the fact that you have about 100-200 open tabs is not because you need them (...just search for content again...), but you just don't close them when not needed anymore?

Many of them you could probably say at some level that I "need them", in that it'd be faster to find the tab among the open ones then to find the content again.

Usually they end up clustered into groups around particular topics. For example "all of the man pages for the BSD socket API" and "all of the RFCs for the protocol I'm implementing".

My second biggest gripe with the Chrome UI it the tabs shrink the size of the window title bar which makes it harder (read slower) to move windows around. (first biggest gripe is the single search/url field, but that is getter hard to get away from)

IE was amazing at the time, far better than Netscape 4.

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