Ditch Your $2500 Rent And Come Climb The Best Rocks In The World
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But what if you're not white, straight, and Christian? How far can you venture outside of Chattanooga and still feel safe? Can I hold hands with my boyfriend in public and not feel uncomfortable?
I may not have marriage today where I live, but it's coming soon. How long is it until I get the same in the South? http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/mar/05/poll-62-perce... -- For that matter, am I going to have hassle seeing my boyfriend if he's in the hospital because someone doesn't respect my health care power of attorney?
How far do I have to travel to feel like a second class citizen?
I know you like your city, but outside a certain radius, it's not very friendly for a lot of people.
- weather, Tennesse weather is not really that good compared to places like Boulder or California
- deep south, means you can't really be a foodie or god forbid vegetarian
and a lot of other problems, like US visa immigration. How many of those startups are willing to sponsor H1B, even if it's possible to get one?
PS. my choice of rock-climbing destination is Cape Town, South Africa, which is far off-the-way, but is definitely superior to Chattanooga for climbing.
EDIT: people point out that there is decent food in south - so maybe I was just incredibly unlucky or something.
I'm so tired of the negative view of the south. Believe it or not we wear shoes, and you can have good food and entertainment here.
Visited Hattiesburg MS, Jackson MS, Monroe LA, Shreveport LA, and a few others just this weekend. That's true south.
There are 0 whole foods in Mississippi, and why would you build one when there is a 2% chance it will be destroyed by a hurricane within 5 years.
TN is absolutely beautiful. I cannot say much about the people due to lack of experience, but the area is breathtaking. I'll never forget the water down the mountains turning into icicles.
I've learned to visit a city's craigslist prior to visiting the area. You can typically gauge the population by the amount of people using it, items for sale, and types of pets (odd, I know).
Also: Chattanooga has a Trader Joe's, the true metric of civilization.
Chattanooga has a Trader Joe's, the true metric of civilization.
Ha! I work from home, and every time I look for a new city to move to, I visit http://www.traderjoes.com/stores/.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax#States_with_no...
Really? I just spent two weeks in Kentucky, Tennessee and South Carolina. There was no shortage of decent restaurants in the cities. Rural areas were as devoid of decent options as anywhere else in the US. Maybe my perspective is warped, as I live in the food wasteland that is Montana. I know of about 5 restaurants that are what I'd call good and they tend to be expensive.
My brother is a big foodie and has had a great time exploring food in the south for at about 6 years so far.
b) "deep south, means you can't really be a foodie or god forbid vegetarian" Dear lord, that's ignorant.
Pass thru Huntsville? 20 years ago, before the "peace dividend" it was quite a hopping place. I hear Austin today is kind of like how Huntsville used to be. Has a heck of a .mil base and an excellent museum too.
When you lead your article with the headline ending in "And Come Climb The Best Rocks In The World", you're going to get people commenting on that, linkbait or no.
- While Chattanooga and the "Deep South" might not be world-class food destinations we still have more to offer than catfish and possum. I mean squirrel is pretty good...
- US immigration is definitely frustrating, not arguing there.
- While I've never climbed in Cape Town I've been fortunate to climb across the US in addition to Europe. Out of curiosity, what are the top three reasons to climb in Cape Town over Thailand for instance? I'm always looking to travel/climb in new places.
* Weather - it's ok to good all year round with the season (may-september) being always exceptional. You can climb as much as you want
* Rocklands + Cape Town has the best rock I've seen and I've been to tons of places (mostly bouldering though)
* The sheer amount - it's tons and tons of rock. The only thing that comes close is Utah, even boulder does not have that much rock.
* A little bit of non-climbing activities - safaris penguins, etc. Cape Town is a good tourist destination
* Food is excellent
* Surfing
I will admit that I hate the weather. I'd take 50's-70's any day over the 6 months of 90+ degree weather with 50%+ humidity we have here in Atlanta.
It definitely gets hot in the mid-summer months, but not nearly as severely as other cities like Nashville, Memphis, Atlanta, even DC.
Also, I think calling Chattanooga "deep south" would be a severe misnomer.
I will make no claim as to how someone from the West, Mid-West or South would feel about Chattanooga, however. It is certainly a pretty little city, much like Boulder.
eta: I'm not saying this is a universal problem with the south. I'm just saying that I've noticed it there far more often than in other places I've lived and traveled.
i grew up in the south and i have no idea what southern hospitality means. where i lived, the running joke about southern hospitality was that <ethnic group> would hear the sound of you reloading before you opened fire.
if you're nerved out when surrounded by a bunch of well-armed, perpetually drunk, ill mannered, poorly educated and xenophobic people, i would not recommend moving to the south.
You might just be shocked at the level of homophobia, however. When I lived in Atlanta I worked with a couple who once confided that they had enough scary experiences that they quickly told everyone they were sisters when traveling outside of Atlanta.
However, when I visited (~2001), the intense racial geographic separation was jarring. Some areas were literally exclusively white and black respectively. For perspective, I grew up largely in DC proper which is racially divided in its own right, but not even in the same ballpark as ATL. Public transit was abysmal - the metro line from downtown basically ran in 2 directions (N-S, E-W).
People places and things all change. I recently visited Philly and was taken aback at how much it had changed in the last 7 years (for the better, IMHO). That said, I wouldn't hold my breath at Tennessee becoming a great place to live for those outside its demographic mean, although I can make no qualitative assertions about Chattanooga.
1. Highly visible poverty in the city, and frequent crime.
2. Frequent casual racism, even among students at GaTech.
3. Frequent extremest christian advertising, like preachers outside sporting events and aborted fetuses on billboards
4. Religion being a daily part of life for most people I met
There's a lot more that shocked me over the 5 years of living there and dating southern girls, but I still had fun...I just couldn't adjust. I'd never even seen an overt act of racism except on TV when I was growing up.
Also, keep in mind that when I moved to Atlanta, at 18, I'd seen a lot less of the world than I have now. Living in the South changed my perceptions a lot, and I'm now permanently more aware of my surroundings.
I love NYC, and SF is startup mecca, but on paper it just makes me question whether it's worth it.
Aside from preferring Boston, volume of living space is also unimportant to me. I like renting. I don't take up much space and don't see the value in claiming a bigger footprint than I need. But I couldn't feel confused that others disagree, unless I felt my values were somehow correct or absolute.
The question is really: if I can own a house in Pittsburgh and visit NYC for 3-4 months a year, and still spend less than renting in NYC, does it make sense at all to live in NYC?
But never mind me, I'll probably end up in New York regardless :)
Great life for a mid-20's person and still get to travel often.
I live in NYC now, (east village), and there are about 100s of restaurant's, shops, bars, cafes just within 5 minutes walk. The diversity is ridiculous. (I don't think anywhere in the world you find so many kinds of nationalities and cousines in one place).
I love NYC, and have visited 3x this year. It is an amazing place. I'd say that Chattanooga will not be comparable in almost any metric - # of X, density, variety.
I think for many living in American cities other than NYC, SF, downtown Chicago/ Boston/ DC/ ATL/ Seattle/ a few others - being able to live, walk, eat, get groceries is fairly unusual. Especially for a relative low cost with decent-to-high quality of housing.
Why is that being comfortable with living outside the straight, white, and Christian demographic basically means accepting anywhere from 2-4x the cost of living?
That said, there's an important idea in there that we probably shouldn't ignore in our rush to dismiss this. The author is absolutely right that there's a lot of world out there with lots of great stuff, most of which is cheaper to live in than the San Francisco Bay Area. If you want to find the best "X" in the world, you're almost guaranteed to find it elsewhere.
As it happens, I'm also living in the place with the Best Rocks In The World (Fontainebleau, France). But I've also lived on Tonsai beach, and in the Basque country, either of which could snag that title if you changed your priorities a little bit. All were great places to work remotely.
We're living in the Future now. If you have a passion for climbing/surfing/outdoor whatever.., and they've got a spot where there's a bunch of it, you absolutely can go set up shop there.
That's pretty nice.
Parks, the river front, multiple lakes, are all easy access - which is great for dog lovers like myself.
Of course, we could make some of the claims here in PHX: easy living, great community of people running around in the mountains, cool cultural stuff, etc...
> I love California, but they don't know anything about food.
i really wonder how you can say this with a straight face.
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ramen&find_loc=chat...
one ramen restaurant, across the state line. "You mean ramen doesn't always come in plastic bags?"
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ramen&find_loc=chat...
one pho restaurant, in another city. "ewww what is this stuff in my soup"
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=sashimi&find_loc=ch...
one omakase sushi bar. better learn to love rainbow rolls and sweet sauce.
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ramen&find_loc=chat... http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=szechuan&find_loc=c...
not a single decent chinese restaurant, not surprising. hope you like sweet and sour chicken and chop suey (lol)
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ramen&find_loc=chat...
one carne asada joint, in another city. there's 3 mexican joints worth going to in the whole area. 'tacqueria' brings no results. looks like there's a local mini-chain 'mojo burrito' which is 'heads and shoulders above qdoba'... well that's a start.
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ramen&find_loc=chat...
one peruvian restaurant, down the highway. seems like a decent place though.
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=indian&find_loc=cha...
FOUR whole indian places. i think we're getting warmer (pun intended...)
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ramen&find_loc=chat...
lots of thai, we must be on to something here... spicy food, right?
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=caribbean&find_loc=...
NOPE no jerk chicken to be found anywhere. and you call yourself spice lovers... sigh.
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=ramen&find_loc=chat...
well, if you move there, i hope you like southern food. cause that's pretty much what you're gonna be eating.
it's very difficult for me to not interpret "California doesn't know anything about food" as "People with other points of view don't know anything about the things we like the most here."
"hard to find quality bbq in SF or LA" or "we have great southern food" or even "californians can't handle real spice" would have flown a lot better.
I think your comment pretty much sums up the California viewpoint, "Someone in Chattanooga said something, now I feel like I can classify everyone there".