Microsoft's anti-Google campaign gets a boost, from Google
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Also what's up with people launching ad hominem attacks on people liking Windows instead of commenting on the topic on hand? What has your post got to do with Google blocking and refusing to make a YouTube app for Windows Phone?
In this case, no argument was made. He simply said "The things I care about seem to be opposite of the things you care about". That's not an argument, it's just a personal statement. Even if ad hominem WERE the correct term, it would be even LESS appropriate here, because he was the one who brought up his own tastes in the first place.
EDIT: And to respond to the rest of your post, numbers like those are meaningless. Unless they're presented in a comparative context, they're very much like showing someone a graph without its axes labeled.
So for comparative purposes, Windows Phone shipped on that many devices. Great. How many Android and iPhone devices were shipped in the same period?
This is so ad hominem it's almost cycling around the universe and landing back on "polite".
>You are most definitely the only one. And judging from your comment history, you also like Windows 8, so rest assured that your opinions are far, far outside the mainstream
As an opportunity for introspection, please reconsider your life choices about spending your time trolling on HN. I'm assuming your dismissal of my opinion because I "like Windows 8" is from this comment which you apparently found on the third page of my comment history:
>Basically, after an hour or two of using Windows 8 I became used to the new interface. The only other thing that's important to do is replace the crappy Metro versions of applications with standard Windows versions.
So my description of Windows 8 as "the crappy Metro versions of applications" makes me a shill for Microsoft I guess. Wow, with friends like me Microsoft certainly doesn't need enemies like you.
Unfortunately for you since you appear to loathe Microsoft, my opinions are typically early for "the mainstream" as you say. I was the first of my friends to get an iPhone and was responsible for at least 60 other people purchasing an iPhone. Now people who respect my technical opinion will be following me to Windows Phone 8 or Android. Both platforms have surpassed anything that Apple has to offer.
And Google wants to pull away that app from WP users by using legal bullying tactics.
And now Google is trying legal tactics with a C&D to takedown to prevent Windows Phone users from getting a very popular smartphone app, YouTube, so they're smearing themselves here and helping the scroogled compaign paint them as evil.
Just look at the comment section below the article. It's chockfull of microsoft's PR drones and MVPs saying all kinds of nasty things about Google and Apple and not really disclosing their affiliations with microsoft.
How do you know this?
cooldeal 8 hours ago | link
From Google's About page: "Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."
Last time when Google was intentionally blocking Google maps and then deprecated ActiveSync on Windows Phone someone suggested Google should updated it to the following:(which seems quite true given how much of the world's crowdsourced video content is on YouTube):
"Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful, except on Windows Phone".
Are you cooldeal? Because I see this account was created 6 hours ago.
No, I just thought his comment was very funny so I copy pasted it. Also, what if I was him/her? Whats your problem, really, with this off topic questioning?
Well, looking at his previous postings he seems quite the dedicated Google fan and Microsoft hater. Nothing wrong with that, really but my best guess is that he has nothing to say about Google's evil power grab to hurt Windows Phone here or Google's hypocritical bogus Mission Statement, so he's doing the next best thing at damage control for Google by trying to draw a red herring by going ad hominem and accusing HN commenters of being MS astroturfers or something. Search me, I am puzzled as well as how your account age is related to this story.
I didn't see a sign up message on HN stating that only Google and Apple employees/fans are allowed to post here.
Nice job at trying to derail the discussion. Now care tell us what do you think of the topic of this story instead of trying to go ad hominem on a tangent about some HN commenter's posting history which has nothing to do with anything really?
Edit: What in cooldeal's HN profile makes you think he works for Microsoft?
Because you seem to have him pegged as a MS hater when if you look at his previous comments of the past 3-4 months they're contrary to your hypothesis of him hating MS.
> Nice job at trying to derail the discussion.
It was already derailed by your witch hunt against this guy. I generally look at a user's history before thinking of calling them out for bias.
> Now care tell us what do you think of the topic of this story...
Considering I have never said anything negative towards Microsoft (or for that matter, Google, Apple, or any major tech company) on HN and I am currently posting this on Windows 7, while using Intellij IDEA, Visual Studio 2012 and with also a couple of remote ssh instances of Linux simultaneously open, I definitely have an overt bias :)
> ...instead of trying to go ad hominem on a tangent about some HN commenter's posting history which has nothing to do with anything really?
I don't think you're in the best position to be accusing anyone of name calling and character attacks based on your very angry and accusing comments so far. It's just a forum and the Internet is a silly place to get angry over :). I've had articles I've submitted get flagged or ignored. Doesn't bother me. I consider it the people that flagged its loss and not mine and just put it out of my mind almost after I submit it.
> Edit: What in cooldeal's HN profile makes you think he works for Microsoft?
Perhaps he doesn't and I read too much into his comments and he's not. However, he's certainly not a Google fanboy and MS hater. If you would like to attack people, there are much better communities on the internet to do so than HN.
Edit: although yes there are people here that have a strong dislike of MS for whatever reason (and also those that dislike Google, Apple, Ruby, PHP, and anything else that can be polarizing), assuming everyone here is in one camp or the other and accusing them of such is not winning you any sympathizers as I use quite few tools at times that are not considered super popular on hn myself (such as Opera, Java, C#, Windows, etc). I also use things that are popular as well (Python, Linux, JavaScript, Android). In then end, I really don't care what anyone uses other than myself as my decisions are related to what works best for me and only that. I stopped worrying about staying trendy sometime ago and I think I'm happier for it.
However, I can't support someone that resorts to mud slinging themselves. I think it's a shame you are trying to fight everyone as well as it just reaffirms the people that flag such articles that they're correct and dissuades those more amiable from supporting such articles in the future. I prefer an HN that is less polarized or focused only on one or two tech platforms.
In your comment here[1][2] with the quote, your pronoun usage and the reply you gave, one could take it as you were referring to cooldeal, which prompted my reply and beliving you were accusing him and not mtgx. Since you cleared it up, not a big deal, but just showing how it can get misinterpreted.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5717816
[2] > CloudNine 1 hour ago | link
>Also, what if I was him/her? Whats your problem, really. Well, looking at his previous postings he seems quite the dedicated Google fan and Microsoft hater.
C&D takedown to Microsoft by Google: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715168
Microsoft's response(Lying at #40 on second page because of heavy flagging by Google fans in spite of it having more votes than many stories on front page):
You have to understand, however, that the generalized hatred of microsoft is nothing more, nothing less than a direct consequence of microsoft's past coming back to haunt them. No other company in tech comes even close to having so many skeletons in the closet. People have long memories and asking them to ignore microsoft's past is pure intellectual dishonesty.
How about just skipping the story/comments and moving to the next instead of trying to bury real news for everyone by flagging?
From the HN guidelines:
If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.)
You're basically abusing your mod privieleges.
Your reply, which totally misses the point, is an elegant demonstration of just how fucking awful these threads are and exactly why they need to be buried.
There's no real news here. There's nothing deeply interesting. And the comments are just full of people who have deeply held polarised opinions bickering with each other.
The fact that you think I chose to bury something because it's critical of Google (I say plenty of anti-Google stuff) shows that you are over-sensitive and incapable of rational discussion. That's why threads like these are fucking terrible.
> You're basically abusing your mod privieleges.
No. This is a shitty thread. I'm proud I flagged it. I'd flag it again if I could.
Please, stop it. It's shameful to read.