Yes, lets lynch and ban the last couple of commenters on HN who don't hate 'M$' so that we can sip coffee at Google IO while using Macbooks to flag Surface Pro review stories and vote up Ruby and Go posts in peace.
They will defend Microsoft at every turn and they will attack Google in every comment they make about them. Their posting history is very desciptive.
Offhand I can list mtgx, rbanffy(who mentions he hates Microsoft in his HN profile page), or Toshio and lots of iOS fans and Google fans and employees and nobody seems to get bothered by them but somehow it's not okay for Microsoft fans to post on here?
It is funny to read how quickly a news.ycombinator discussion degenerates when talking about Google, Microsoft or Apple.
What's funny is that in my experience, these denigrating terms came from each system's users, not from "the opposing tribe."
At my school we used the TRS-80, and constantly bemoaned its (many) faults, and dreamed of having Apple IIs ... and then one time we went to a computer show and met some kids from another school which used Apple IIs—who told us how much they hated their Crapples and how they wished they had TRS-80s... ><
Also, if you're referring to the comments on WPCentral, of course, it's "Windows Phone Central" where obviously fans and users of Windows Phone who got frustrated for years with the lack of a quality YouTube app on their phone hang out.
I haven't ported any of my own apps to Win Phone either - what's the point when nobody is using it? Out of 60,000 visits to our site over a given period, 4000 are iOS, 2000 Android, 50 blackberry and 20 Windows Phone. We haven't bothered with blackberry either (apart from providing an html5 version).
Face it Microsoft: Windows Phone is a dismal failure.
So Google's complaint is that "nobody" is using the Windows Phone Youtube app and that this is hurting Youtube because "nobody" is watching so many ad-less videos on Youtube that it's robbing Youtube and content creators of all the "no money" gotten from no ad views in the app which used by nobody? Oh, and did I mention nobody can use the Windows Phone Youtube app because nobody is using Windows Phone?!
Google's argument is simply that Microsoft, a company that should know better, is intentionally breaking the Youtube ToS. The lack of native app is because Google has determined that WP users can "live with" watching videos in the browser for the time being.
So did a smart guy say once about Apple. I went from being a hardcore Android fan to just falling in love with my Lumia phone. Everyone I know who has a windows phone has been happy with it. So no I don't think it is a dismal failure.
I have found replacements for most Google services but there doesn't exist or may never exist one for Youtube. I was a user of Youtube before Google was a buyer, so yes it sucks to be given a second class treatment because you made the unpopular choice for your phone. Hope this doesn't repeat, you know with Ubuntu and Firefox phones coming out.
Who ever did is either eating crow for that, or isn't as smart as he claimed.
Microsoft has been in the mobile business for a long time. They have tried to re-invent their offerings at least two times, probably more. There are a lot of OEMs with knives in their backs (e.g.: Sendo, OQO) in the wake.
That they have failed to succeed after blowing such a lead and countless investment dollars is a real organizational character failure on their part. That some in Redmond think they're still winning is even sadder.
See the issue?
> Everyone I know who has a windows phone has
> been happy with it.
Whether the people actually using the OS likes it or not is besides the point, it's the actual number of people that use said OS that's the point.
Try finding the Walmart exclusive windows phone Lumia 521 which came about a week ago, you can't, its selling like hot pancakes all across America. Its only a matter of time till Windows Phone becomes a real competitor and the reason why Google is worried.
Perhaps the same laws that force Microsoft to offer alternative to Internet Explorer in Windows...
Antitrust is a serious matter, let's not trivialize it.
Until a court says otherwise, nothing compels Google thus.
Just remember that according to the courts, Google doesn't even have a monopoly on search. It is far fetched that they have a monopoly on "community contributed videos", if that's even a market sector that would be considered for antitrust.
> They need to kill it and millions of Windows Phone
> users will be left with no legal YouTube app.
> How do they update the app if Google doesn't give them
> access to the API? They need to kill it and millions of
> Windows Phone users will be left with no legal YouTube app.
There is a public YouTube API, documented at https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/ , which Microsoft could have used if they were interested in implementing a TOS-compliant app.
https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/getting-started#quo...
The exact throttling values are not posted publicly, but there are multiple third-party apps using the YouTube APIs successfully, so I expect the limits are high enough for a standard client to work without problems.
Life sometimes sucks like that. Microsoft did not play by the rules, and now they have to pay for it. Cry me a river.