Hacker News Reader

Hacker News

Comment by wesley | Hacker News Reader

Parent Full thread

wesley

Correction: The U.S. now enjoys free content on hulu and other sites.

View on HN

Here's how I do it at $10/month:

Step 1: Buy an account from a hosting server in USA.

Step 2: Install your own proxy server.

Step 3: Enjoy hulu and others :-)

I have a Virtual Private American on Slicehost so that I can continue giving Amazon money for my favorite TV episodes. I know that is technically not allowed, but they mostly don't make it possible for me to buy them in yen or I would do it.

Could you recommend one? Thanks...

I use westhost. http://www.westhost.com/

And I do it by buying Personal VPN [1], which is cheaper per year. Plus you get some extra security and privacy.

[1] http://www.witopia.net/index.php/products/

Are your download/upload speeds affected much by using a VPN?

I'm not that far from Witopia's servers (Toronto>NY being the closest), but from my experiance the added latency can be killer.

Well, I use them for regular browsing while I am on public internet access and I have not found any problems. As for download/uploads - haven't used them for torrents, but Hulu streams just fine. That's from Europe.

I don't think $10 will save you if the situation is serious, this will complicate the situation more.If they want to find, they'll contact the host and if you paid via a Verified (Real) Credit Card and they have your credentials, then you can say "Good Bye" as (I think) you'll be penalized more..

You don't understand. The point wasn't to use a proxy to make illegal downloading untrackable. It was to use a proxy to access US-only (legal) media, like Hulu or South Park.

Thanks i didn't get the point

I use linode for this and while it works on other sites like pandora, no dice on hulu. I get a "sorry, unable to stream this video. check your internet connection" message. Figured maybe they ban IP address blocks belonging to known hosts.

Have you tried by setting up a VPN instead of just a proxy server? I'm wondering if it's possible that Hulu's flash doesn't respect the proxy settings.

As other users report no problems with similar setups but using different hosts, I don't think that's the case.

That's a great idea. Would you mind explaining you setup? What's the most secure way of doing this?

1) install debian on server, making sure to include openssh-server and privoxy. (ok, ok, maybe you use some other OS, doesn't matter)

2) Run this from your laptop/desktop:

  ssh -f -L8118:localhost:8118 my_username@my_remote_server sleep 36000

3) Set firefox's proxy to localhost:8118 for all protocols.

Oh, maybe step 1.5 should have been to turn off privoxy's logging, both because it could log something private, and because log files aren't needed in this case. I also disable privoxy's ad blocking because it breaks the NYTimes.

In addition to "relocating" you, this has the effect of allowing one to use unencrypted wireless APs in cafes and only worry about the same amount of network sniffing one might worry about from one's own ISP. This is why I decided on this set up to begin with, in fact.

It's easier to use -D 8118 and set a SOCKS5 proxy in Firefox instead of an HTTP proxy. Then you don't need to install Privoxy. I use this method to keep my passwords from going across untrusted wireless networks in plaintext.

How is it better than just downloading a torrent? It's still "illegal" to use proxy servers to use Hulu from other countries.

User experience is better.

I would argue that the user experience is not better. You are still seeing ads, and you still are limited to what the networks decide to put on hulu. Often they will take down episodes after a few weeks, and on top of that, there are plenty of networks that haven't made deals with hulu, and their content is not available.

Why is it illegal. Do the 'terms & conditions' forbid you from using a proxy installed in US?

Yes.

International Use. Hulu's goal is to bring you as much Content as is legally available. That said, we are limited by the rights that our content licensors grant to us. Using technologies to access the Content from territories where Hulu does not have rights is prohibited.

(Of course, in some countries you can ignore Terms of Use.)

Under what law? Generally I think it's legal to take a copy of a copyrighted work that you obtained legally and take it to another country, say, in your luggage. How is this any different?

Edit: Under the law that makes "import or export" a right exclusive to the copyright holder, apparently. Thanks for the correction!

Under the US law.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-digital.html#p2p:

Uploading or downloading works protected by copyright without the authority of the copyright owner is an infringement of the copyright owner's exclusive rights of reproduction and/or distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright:

Several exclusive rights typically attach to the holder of a copyright:

- to produce copies or reproductions of the work and to sell those copies (mechanical rights; including, sometimes, electronic copies: distribution rights)

- to import or export the work

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exports#United_States:

An item is considered an export whether or not it is leaving the United States temporarily, if it is leaving the United State but is not for sale (a gift), or if it is going to a wholly owned U.S. subsidiary in a foreign country.

(I personally think this is all bullshit when applied to the Internet, but my opinion doesn't matter.)

I think implicit in that is an acknowledgment that the content most in demand for pirating comes from the U.S. Which I find relevant because countries like Sweden might find less need for strong copyright laws because copyright-able materials are not seen as a valuable, exportable commodity, at least compared to the U.S.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com