The biggest deterrent for women in tech
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> Geek technology culture not appealing:
> Women: 20.6% Men: 34.3%
> Dispel stereotypes that boys are better than girls in math and science:
> Women: 48.9% Men: 31.0%
Working in technology is appealing to girls, but growing up being told that's not what girls do is what hurts.
Is there such a pressure on girls? Do the mothers feel unnerved if their daughters start fiddling with lego?
1. Choosing a career based on a desire for work/life and family balance that doesn't involve 60 hour weeks or waking up at 2:00 AM to answer a pager alert.
2. Choosing a career based on a desire for self-actualization and personal fulfillment instead of what best pays the bills.
3. Dropping out of difficult technical education courses in college in favor of less demanding classes, because there is not enough pressure to think about providing for oneself.
What do you think it will take for women to be successful in the technology field? (More than one response allowed)
Bleak reality. Technology jobs are useful and pay well. The more women are forced to care for themselves instead of relying on a husband, their parents, or the government, the more likely they will choose technology careers.
Of course, as more women that enter the technology market, salaries will drop (for everyone).
How optimistic are you about the future of women in technology?
Not optimistic at all. I don't think people are looking at the right problems.
1. I never had a problem working hard, 60+ hours, nor did any of my female friends growing up. 2. A tech career can be great at self-actualization. You build cool shit, and can make new things that can change peoples lives. It's awesome. 3. Seriously...you actually believe that smart women are thinking about lowering their life goals in anticipation of marrying up?
Women absolutely care for themselves. I'm not saying there aren't still women who don't, but this view that a female will be taken care of was never something that entered into my head, nor anyone else I know.
The biggest obstacle I had to overcome was not seeming "cool" while I signed up for a computer engineering class in highschool. Peer pressure was a hard obstacle to overcome back then, but I am so glad I did.
Of course you are offended. That's why reasonable, more detailed examination of generalizations such as mine rarely happens and you certainly don't hear about it. It makes people awkwardly uncomfortable and you can't have that on CNEntertinment, unless it's delivered by an over-the-top caricature you don't have to take seriously. Instead you have equally absurd generalizations based on popular opinion that make everyone feel warm and fuzzy.
1. I never had a problem working hard, 60+ hours, nor did any of my female friends growing up.
Nor do any of the women I know. In fact most of them work as hard as I do or harder. I am not surprised at all to find smart, hard-working women in technology. STEM degree stats suggest women make up nearly 20% even in the most male-heavy fields like Computer Science and Physics. The relevant demographic is not necessarily you or every woman you know, but the hypothetical women that would make up that 10-30% gap in the gender balance.
Or, from the perspective of companies wanting to hire more capable engineers at cheaper salaries, the point is not to address the imbalanced gender ratio, the point is to maximize the pool of talent by whatever means available.
2. A tech career can be great at self-actualization. You build cool shit, and can make new things that can change peoples lives. It's awesome.
Of course it can be. But what percentage of people going into STEM fields admit that it was their first choice and one made without much regard for earning potential? It certainly was not my first choice. I originally wanted to be a professor of music theory. I looked at the employment prospects and job markets and opted to pursue technology instead. In fact many of the people I've worked with in technology started out with different ambitions and wound up here because they were smart, resourceful, and needed money.
3. Seriously...you actually believe that smart women are thinking about lowering their life goals in anticipation of marrying up?
I believe that all women will marry up if they can and that dedicating time and attention to raise a family does not represent lowering of life goals. I also think that regardless of what one may want or what they may decide with their brain, most people will accomplish less if they do not face pressure.
Women absolutely care for themselves. I'm not saying there aren't still women who don't, but this view that a female will be taken care of was never something that entered into my head, nor anyone else I know.
And you are working in a technology field.
Of course women take care of themselves. The question is how much pressure are they under to do so relative to the pressure faced by a man with similar gifts and opportunities.
>Equal pay for men and women with same skill sets: Women: 65.5%, Men: 46.8%
Clearly two different perceptions.
Off the top of my head, I'd expect any gender wage gap in tech to be small relative to other fields.
A quick search seems to bear that out [1][2][3].
1: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2031357/gender-gap-in-tech-sa...
2: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.pdf
3: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/labor/news/2013/04/09...
And no men. How did men do it without role models?
I don't know. How did they discover America without role models? Or climb Everest? How do they do anything when everyone says it can't be done?
Its a mystery. Especially if you pay no attention to biology.
While attitudes may not have done a 180, your inference that early women computer scientists were "not programming" and only transcribing is factually incorrect.
> "It provides access to jobs purely based on merit and results and really, in some ways, neutralizes some of the gender discrimination that exists around the world."
The fact is that Elance does not neutralize anything, except their reputation by stating such BS. If I would be sexist, I could simply reject women on Elance the same way I could do in person.